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Not worried yet, but opinions please.

GSDlover

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Hello, so I got my first snake last weekend at a Expo. I'm a newbie.

He's an amelanistic (het anery, motley) ... though not quite sure what that means so any info about that is also appreciated.

Anyways, he was 40 dollars, while all his others were around 45 - 55... But it was kind of like Marley and Me (Clearence snakie). So I didn't think anything of it.

ANYWAYS.
He isn't eating, while the one my boyfriend got gobbled up his pinkie as soon as he saw it. (Okeetee)
We've tried twice now, and he tastes it and then loses interest.

I'm worried he was on clearence because he hasn't been eating.
I emailed the breeder and he told me that he's probably not used to his surroundings. Also to try in a couple days and cover his tank with a towel for about 30 minutes or longer and see what happens.

What's your opinion?
Should I be concerned? or does this seem normal to you?

Thank you in advance!
 
Some snakes are strange. I would take the breeders advice, put him in a small container, like the deli cup he probably came in, and put the pinky in there with him and put him in a dark quiet room. And leave. Overnight is fine also. Some like you to wiggle the mice at them, some like them to be slit, some just want privacy. You can try to make the pink warm, or room temp, wet, dry. You'll probably have to play around until you find what he likes.
 
Hey GS,

I would suggest that you read other peoples post on problem feeders because there is a million ways to get a corn snake feeding. OK not a million but to many for this lazy guy to type out.

My favorite is a live pinky.

Love the Fatman
 
I would give him more time to settle in. You've had him less than a week and have already tried to feed him twice, which might be stressing him out a bit.

I'm new to snakes, but I see the more experienced on here recommend to leave the snake alone until next feeding if they refuse a meal, so that you don't stress them and cause them to associate feeding time with stress.
 
Don't hold him or bother him for a few days, than try what the breeder said. I also find live pinkies are the easiest for non eaters to go for (mostly because they are moving and reminding the snake that they are there)
 
He's an amelanistic (het anery, motley) ... though not quite sure what that means so any info about that is also appreciated.

Amel means it doesnt produce the black pigment melanin, so you get a red-orange snake.

Het stands for heterozygous which means I has the gene for whatever particular morph but doesn't show it in its appearance (also called phenotype)
They tell you this in case you ever wanted to breed your snake. If you breed your snake to another snake that was either het or homo for the same traits as yours than you could get that kind of babies. IE if you breed yours to a snake that was Anery het amel, motley than you could get babies that were amel, anery, normal, snow and about 1/4 of them would also be motley.
A homozygous snake will show the morph in its appearance, so your snake is homozygous amel and its phenotype is amel.

Anery is short for anerythristic. Anery means it doesn't produce the red pigment erythrin, so you get a red-grey snake with a yellow neck as an adult.

Motley is a pattern morph which gives a snake no belly pattern and causes the saddles to merge.



It'll take a bit of genetics research to take it all down. I recommend these sites for learning about morphs.
http://iansvivarium.com/cornsnakemorphs.php?/cornmorphs.html
http://www.corncalc.com/genetics101.html
 
My method is to get the pinky quite warm in a cup of warm water, and brain it (slit the head slightly so brain juice oozes out). They seem to like that.
 
Okay, good news!

From reading other things, and contacting my breeder...
We got the advice of getting his own little container for feeding only.
Covering it up with a towel of some sort.
and a live pinky - due to the fatman...

He's eating it at the moment.

The only thing is, it's a small live fuzzie (I hope this isn't a problem) since EVERYWHERE near me is out of pinkies live or frozen.
So we got a very small fuzzie and he's eating it.

Broke my heart a little though tbh, stupid little pathetic mouse. >.>
 
Perhaps the little guy prefers live..

Wait about 5 days or so and attempt to feed him another live pinkie. It would be good to switch him over to frozen thawed eventually, but when you have a problem feeder, whatever works is all good!

I'm glad to hear he's eaten for you. Sometimes it's hard to get them started, or they're scared, or shy of you watching them. Sometimes I feed new and reluctant hatchlings in their (individual) tubs the first few times I offer them food because they seem to be more comfortable there.

Also, if he refuses again, wait awhile to offer him food again. Wait a week or so in between feedings. Offering food too often can stress a snake out and actually cause them to create a negative association with being offered food.

HOPEFULLY you have a good feeder now! Next we need some pictures! :cheers:
 
Yeah, going to continue feeding him in the little container we got for him. Try to get a routine going with him.
Also going to try and feed him live for the next 1 or 2 feedings and then try a warm thawed one and hopefully we can wean him back to F/T.

I will continue feeding live if need be, lets just hope he grows quick so I don't have to continue feeding him the cute little babies. haha.

Also just got a new camera today, so pictures will be up tomorrow! :) One of the reasons I got it was for this site, since last time I tried taking a picture of a grey spot my crappy camera made it pretty difficult. This way if I run into trouble it'd be easier plus I can show off my little guy.
 
Here's a copy/paste from my site of my feeding information for corns. I tried to write it so that it could be useful for the experienced, but easy for the beginer. I hope it helps:

FeedingFeeding corns is usually very simple and easy. Mice and rats are the usual diet fed to captive corns. I usually reserve feeding rats only to individuals over 4 feet in length. The general rule is to feed prey no more than one and a half times the snakes girth at the widest part. If in doubt it is always better to offer more, smaller prey items rather than something too large. A snake may eat a meal larger than they can handle only to regurgitate it later.



Hatchlings should be started on pinky mice; usually one offered every 5-7 days. Young snakes should continue to be fed every 5-7 days, with increasing quantities offered.



As the snake grows pinkies can be replaced with fuzzies, then hoppers, then weanlings, then small adult mice. Usually corns will stop eating when they are full. If you notice any regurgitation, reduce either, or both the size and quantities offered.



As the snake ages it will only need to be fed every 7-10 days. Adults (not in brumation or breeding) will sometimes go for a month or so without eating. This is not a concern as long as they are otherwise healthy, just continue to offer food regularly.



Some choose to feed live prey, while others choose pre-killed prey. The number one benefit of feeding pre-killed prey is that the prey can not harm your snake. Another benefit, if you purchase frozen rodents, is that you can ensure you always have a full supply of food for your snakes. Some people will end up with a snake that is a fussy eater, and will resort to feeding live prey. I have never found this to be necessary with corns, as there are many “tricks” to get stubborn corns to eat. (See my advanced care page for "tricks") Feeding live prey can kill your snake! All it takes is one bite from a mouse to sever the spine, or to cause a life threatening and costly infection!



The first rule, whether feeding live or pre-killed is to have a separate enclosure specifically designated for feeding. This serves a few purposes; the main thing is that the snake learns that it does not eat when it is in its cage, thus not lunging for your hand when you reach for it. A frequent mistake many snake owners make is handling the prey before handling the snake. Corns use scent as their primary sense to locate prey, if you smell like a mouse they will be more inclined to strike. However if the snake has learned that it does not eat in its cage, it will be less likely to strike at you. Also the more you handle your snake, the more accustomed it will become to you and handling. I prefer to remove the snake from its cage, put it in the feeding box, then introduce the prey. The “box” can be as simple as a plastic container with a few holes drilled in it. Just remember to wash and disinfect it after each feeding.



When feeding a frozen mouse it must be completely dethawed before offered to the snake. NEVER microwave a mouse! Microwaving will cause uneven heating, as well as destroy nutrients that the snake needs. My proven choice is to put the mouse in a “ziplock” baggie and soak it in hot water. Before feeding you will want to hold the mouse in your closed hand for a few seconds to ensure that it is completely thawed. Once you are assured the mouse is thawed and warm you can just drop it in the feeding box, and the snake will find it. Contrary to many beliefs snakes will not lunge and attack the prekilled prey. (Unless very hungry) They will smell it, and search for the head, then open their mouth to begin swallowing it. If a "show" is what you want, then try wiggling the prey with tongs, when the snake strikes, keep wiggling they pery for a few seconds, and the snake should coil around it.



The snake will slowly begin to swallow the pery; then hold its head up, then the throat muscles will begin to make rhythmic “S” patterns as it is swallowing. If feeding more than one prey item at a feeding now is when you should add the next item, unless you put all the mice in at once. You will notice the muscles contracting as the snake is continuing to swallow. I have noticed that when a snake has decided it is done eating it will try to find a way out of its feeding box, rather than look for more food. (Or in the case of some of my corns, they defecate when they are done eating!:p)



(Snakes are able to dislocate their jaw in order to swallow prey, this is completely normal. In most cases after the snake has finished eating you will notice it "yawning," that is just the snake re-aligning it's jaws.)



Once a snake is done eating it is best to gently put it back in its cage. Handling a snake that has just eaten can cause reguritation. Allow the snake at least a day or so to digest before handling again. A full snake will usually go to the warmest part of the enclosure, where the heat will aid in digestion.
 
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