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Now I know why he wasn't eating!!

> I know rats and mice are different organisms,

They aren't sister taxa or anything like that. Heck, they are only, at best, sister genera. I don't feel all that close to animals in a genera similarly related to mine.....lol.

> but until someone makes a "nutrition chart" that says a) how much protein, fat, and carbs and vitamins and minerals each one has and

Comeon. That information has been available for a couple of DECADES. Just because you don't know it, doesn't mean you should go around saying there is no difference.

> b) that this makes a health difference for corns, I'm going to be a little skeptical.

That's fine. Based on what empirical evidence, might I ask, do you find that higher fat ratios wouldn't be less healthy for a snake. (Remember that captive mice are already "fat" compared to wild diets - just like range beef is more lean than grain-fed beef.) I'm sure you consider a McDonald's Cheeseburger as healthy for you as baked skinless turkey, a salad with low fat dressing, a baked sweet potatoe, and an apple for desert. Right? LOL. To a snake, the mouse is a baked chicken breast and the rat is a fried McDonald's hamburger......lol.

> But if there is such a study I'd love to read it! I know someone showed quite clearly that slitting the back of pinkies improved growth rates, so maybe someone's done a rat-vs-mouse pink study too?

That "study" did not "show" anything other than his couple of snakes grew better for a few weeks. What it also didn't show was how genetics and/or starting size affected the outcome. That was a joke, and nothing more, that is too premature to be taken as anything more than a stepping stone for someone who really DOES want to test it for validity in a robust manner. That "study" was not robust, and it only provide a shakey grown for people to make claims based on what they WANT to believe and not on what is supported by hard data and reasoning. Of course, you are ignoring the posts from someone else saying dystocia increased once they started slitting meals. Does that sound like a good benefit. Anyway - even if this is true - increase in mass may not be the same as good growth. Increasing stored FAT is a bad thing in captiviity.

Obesity is the #1 epidemic in captive snakes right now!.....and it is avoidable if the owners care enough to do so.
 
Yeesh, I didn't say there wasn't a difference, just that I didn't know of proof that there was. If the informations been out there for a long time, then you are absolutely correct. I'd still like to know how to find it. I'm not questioning you; I'm just interested in seeing it and learning something new. Is there a post on this site, or a particular search term I could use to find the infos?

Yes, you're right, the "study" on slitting mice didn't take into account a lot of things, and wasn't truly comprehensive, or show that the snakes were necessarily healthier. It didn't convince me to slit mice for my snakes. It was just an example of something that at least has a little bit of experimentation to back it up. I think it's cool when members do that sort of thing, and of course it's cool to question methodology/conclusions. No I haven't read every post on this site. I just like having some backup information when someone throws out statements like "rat pinks are more nutritious than mouse pinks". In retrospect, I should have just asked if there was proof behind that, I admit I assumed that there wasn't, and I guess I been schooled, sorta. I would still like to see the data.
 
I'm sorry, I really have to contest your analogy here:

I'm sure you consider a McDonald's Cheeseburger as healthy for you as baked skinless turkey, a salad with low fat dressing, a baked sweet potatoe, and an apple for desert.

What?
A better analogy is whether or not you're "sure" tilapia fish is as healthy for you as a salmon fish. Or whether beef is healthier than pork. Comparing veggies vs fried meat when I questions RATS VS MICE? No.
 
Thanks Nanci!!! That's really cool :) All I could find on google was how to feed rats and mice ^-^

Well, it looks like gram-for-gram, a pink rat has more minerals than a pink mouse, but a pink mouse has more protein/fat than a pink rat. Good stuff!
Thanks again, that's an awesome resource.
 
Hi,

African Soft Furred rats are very good if want to produce your snakefood by yourself, because they can give birth of much more pinks than normal mice and the dosn´t stink (very important). The adults are a little bit larger than normal mice, but my adult corns (around 110 cm)) have no problems to swallow it. My 08 babies eating the pinks very well and growing good.

The soft furred are sometimes quite aggressive in handling, but simple gloves will solve these problem.

My snakes eat a mixture of different animals: normal mice, the african soft furred, rats, chicken. Next time i will test gerbils and maybe spiny mouse.
 
Wow, there's a lot more to feeding then I thought! He's not going to be reproducing any time soon, for now I'm sticking to pinkies. :)
 
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