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OMG................

my own OMG

Russ,

I've discovered I'm on the same boat as you.... My motley sunglow (almost a complete hurricane motley) female from Shanlyn Williams laid eggs two days ago, completely to my suprise. Shanlyn tells me she's (Sunrise, that is) auto-double-clutched before, but they have been slugs.

Obviously since I wasn't anticipating this, Sunrise laid these eggs in her aspen, and I may have discovered them too late, although the humidiy was fairly high at the time. I'm unable to un-stick the 3 eggs that seem as if they might be viable, so I packed some vermiculite around them to trry to keep the humidity high enough for the one on top. (pic attached.)

Rhoman,

Part of my theory (the hormone/pheremone theory) is that if in fact it is some sort of proximity thing it may be possible to artificially determine the sex of your corn snakes. For example, let's assume for a minute, that you are able to get a clutch of eggs pretty much as they are individually laid (I'm not suggesting people disturb their layers - this is a hypothetical scenario) and could incubate each egg individually, in a way that prevented any such hormone or pheremone transfer between eggs. Let's go on, and assume that this actually does result in a high rate of determined sex, say 75-100% males.

Obviously, Kathy, Rich, Don, John, etc... wouldn't find a lot of use for a high-overhead way to produce mostly males, BUT if we actually had that data, them we could certainly convince SOME university somewhere to help us ascertain what the active chemicals involved are, and perhaps a way to subsequently fool eggs into thinking they really-really ought to be females. :)

It's funny that the leopard gecko trade seems to be on it's head for what I presume to be a few major factors: higher incubation temp = more females, while higher incubation temp also = less black coverage (per Tremper's experiments), and of course as a general rule, higher incubation temp = faster hatching. The result, as far as I can tell from where I'm sitting, is that males are more highly sought after than females - after all, what good is a female if you can't get her gravid?

^Curtis
 

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thanks

thanks alot for all of you guys help i just bought the moss and got the eggs in a container ......... i dont think the eggs look too good their caved in pretty bad all i got to do is hope and see what happens ...... i just right now tried feeding her again and without a doubt shes swallowing her mice as i type .............. next time i know ill be repared but now i expect that about 2/5 have a change at the most thank you guys again and thanks to RICH for keeping these forums alive ......... alot alot of help .............. i cant wait till next year to have hopefully more than 3 corns
to give it a try
 
I be curious to know if....

Anyone has ever sexed a hatchling as soon as it slits or one that died in shell a few days before hatching. That could be an interesting measure as to if sex were already determined at that point. I do however like the theory you have there and I would be interested in what you find.
Rhoman
 
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i wish i had a digicam to show you guys the eggs ................... ill hopefully be buying one soon................question ........... should i drill small wholes in the container i put the eggs in or should it be strictlyhumidity in it for the eggs ?? sorry if i got alot of questions but im kinda nervous i want things to go well ........
 
some vents would be a good call

You do want a little ventilation - of course the more ventilation, the quicker your humidiy will drop, but without ventilation anerobic bacteria, mold, mildew, halitosis... all sorts of nasty things can happen.
 
Halitosis?

You do want a little ventilation - of course the more ventilation, the quicker your humidiy will drop, but without ventilation anerobic bacteria, mold, mildew, halitosis... all sorts of nasty things can happen.

I guess I wasn't aware that halitosis (a condition of having fetid breath) could be caused by lack of ventilation. I was under the impression that bad breath originated from bacteria in the mouth forming plaque, calculus, gingivitis, etc.

How exactly does one get halitosis in an egg box?

:p :D :p

Just kidding with you. ;)

I also think a little ventilation is good, but eggs don't use up oxygen anywhere near the rate that we do. I think as long as you start out with good eggs, a clean substrate, and don't keep the box too moist, in general you will be fine. The only time I've had eggs attacked by fungus is with infertile eggs, but I've heard of it with too moist a substrate as well.

Who was it that posted that they had some egg boxes they didn't ventilate at all during incubation, and they did fine? It was a while back before this forum was up and running...sorry, I can't remember who for sure.

Myself being the nervous nelly that I am, I can't possibly go the whole time without getting in that box, but that's just the way I am. I do ventilate my boxes occasionally, but I don't think they are in any danger of 'suffocating'. Less ventilation = less temperature changes, less humidity loss. There's more than enough air in the box for the eggs. Checking the humidity in the box every few weeks with air exchange at that time has worked for me. My containers are see through to watch as pipping time approaches.

As always, jmho.
 
Good One!

HomeBreeder said:
they aren't alone - lots of animals can changce sex "on the fly", at least among herps and fish ("lots" being a relative term, of course)

Even some people have been able to...out here in the Castro District of San Francisco.


How's this for a twist - among sea horses, the male is the one that becomes pregnant and carries the embryos around while they gestate.

Actually, I bet some scientist goofed and made a mistake and was too much of a egoist to be dissuaded.:rolleyes:
 
Congratulations SnakeRuss007!

Congratulations on your new clutch of eggs. You must be a happy pappy. Take care.
 
Funny SilverTongue!

You have my wife rollin' on the floor in laughter. I...on the other hand...will just...harumph...go fix dinner. [He says, as he adjusts his bra, flicks his hair, and goes off, trying to ignore the statement.]:p
 
Snakerus007, back to the caving in part.... the eggs will be OK, if you get them in some moist substrate ASAP. They are caving in due to lack of moisture. For now put them in with damp paper towels. Don't soak the eggs, they will suffocate. Try to get them in as moist a medium as possible while still allowing air flow, they should plump back up within a day or two. Hopefully, you will find some sphangum moss or vermiculite in Miami. Good Luck!

And Gregg and Silvertounge, Thats just SILLY! :D
 
i got the sphagnum

i got the sphagnum moss early this morning i put the eggs in in the morning and the container got foggy almost emmidiately cause of the moisture ...... i hope everything goes well ill be really bumbed out if i fail my first time...............:( but other than that im :) right now i might get a digicam sometime this week to send pics ...... thanks a million to you guys and for RICH remember hes the one keeping this ruuning and i appreciate that
 
You're right, Carol.

carol said:
And Gregg and Silvertounge, Thats just SILLY! :D

You're right. Sometimes I'll find myself being silly when I'm suppost to be serious.

I know Life is serious,
But that's no reason to take it seriously.
We're born.
We age.
We reproduce.
We die.
End.
In the meantime,
Find something hilarious to break the tension.:p

Take care, my friend.


And SnakeRuss007: I apologize for taking away the serious nature of your thread. I sincerely wish you the best on your eggs. I'm off, now, to teach myself to be more serious about the things I do. I'm off to watch Cartoon Network!
 
Hope you didn't take that quote the wrong way, I thought it was funny too. I don't think it distracted from anything, I was just trying to find a way to reply to you guys and 007. The quote " Thats just silly" was meant to be compliment. ;)
 
We're born. We age. WE reproduce. We die. End

Gregg you forgot, we buy one corn,... then we buy another but tell ourselves that's it,.... then we see that Rich has pretty butter stripes, so we buy another, and since we save on shipping two weeks later we add a lav. to the order, then after slapping our wrists we say no more,.... and then buy another corn,

we then pawn off children to buy more corns, then later pawn off hubby to buy more corns and because hubbys take up much more space than corns do, (one hubby=five corns)... hmm then we can die I guess....

does that sound right?
 
WAIT......

But you need the kids and hubby to clean all those cages right? You just threaten to pawn them for corns, then they will try harder to earn their keep. :D
 
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