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Opinion Needed: Anery / Charcoal

Weebonilass

Weebonilass

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Trying to figure out what to get for my Charcoal motley project.... would the experienced breeders here avoid breeding an anery with a charcoal or will it be possible to tell the difference when a clutch full of dark babies? :)
 
I would definatly avoid anerys if your looking for pure charcoal mots, it will save you and others down the road a while lot of stress. Stick with normals, or if you want to throw in another gene use amels or even better hypos (imagine phantom motleys).
 
Well, at least one person here on the list has an opinion :D I like what you are saying. How does an Ultramel, 100% het for Charcoal and Motley sound?
 
DaemoNox said:
Good enough for me to have gotten one for myself (from VMS?).
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LOL Yup :) And I'll be looking for a charcoal come spring. I'll make the things for myself :D

Are you looking to make some lovely Charcoal Motleys too? :)
 
With the ultamel pick up a charcoal het amel to get blizzards and ultramel charcoals in the mix. I actually am going to pair mine up with a blizzard bloodred, to get amels, ultramels, charcoals, blizzards, and ultramel charcoals all het bloodred. I really havent covered the motley side of her het yet.
 
DaemoNox said:
With the ultamel pick up a charcoal het amel to get blizzards and ultramel charcoals in the mix. I actually am going to pair mine up with a blizzard bloodred, to get amels, ultramels, charcoals, blizzards, and ultramel charcoals all het bloodred. I really havent covered the motley side of her het yet.
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Wow, that's why you are a breeder and I'm just a dabbler :) That's a clutch with some great potential for variety.
 
You would strike gold if you can find anything with a charcoal, amel, and motley/stripe combo, to hatch out amels, ultramels, charcoals, blizzards, ultramel charcoals, and all those with the motley pattern.
 
DaemoNox said:
You would strike gold if you can find anything with a charcoal, amel, and motley/stripe combo, to hatch out amels, ultramels, charcoals, blizzards, ultramel charcoals, and all those with the motley pattern.
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Well, I have the Sunglow Motley and the spring plan is to locate a male charcoal at least het motley since I can find it all in one package .... so the first generation would have the start :)
 
I should have Charcoals het Amel & Hypo this year. One of those would be good to sneak into your Charcoal Motley project. :) Possibility to produce Charcoal Mots, Blizzard Mots & Phantom Mots down the road. Then throw that Ultra in there...That'd be nuts!
 
Weebonilass said:
Trying to figure out what to get for my Charcoal motley project.... would the experienced breeders here avoid breeding an anery with a charcoal or will it be possible to tell the difference when a clutch full of dark babies? :)
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charcoal bred to anery would yield all normal babies het for charcoal and anery. The two forms are not compatible.
 
wisema2297 said:
charcoal bred to anery would yield all normal babies het for charcoal and anery. The two forms are not compatible.
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F1 would be... F2 would not. I think the general consensus was that it would be harder to tell in that second generation which is which.

It would seem that Anery and the motley gene is an easier mixture since there are tons of them, while Charcoal motleys are not even showing up as a by-product with any consistency from folks who are breeding them.

Jeff Mohr has a few, but he's not selling at this time and Rich Z may have some in the back, but you have to make him an offer he can't refuse, which I'm sure is more than I can afford and he has no plans to breed more.

So I'm taking steps to make my own :) With a charcoal at least het motley, I'll be a lot closer with my new little Ultramel, than with an anery motley
 
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