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Pastel Amber Hurricane Motley???

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AnthonyCaponetto

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I found this snake being advertised as a Pastel Amber Hurricane Motley. To me, this would suggest the snake is carrying Anery A, Caramel and Hypo color mutations (and obviously the Motley pattern mutation).

Whatever it is, I love the look and will probably buy it, but it is $250 and I don't want to get screwed too badly. :)

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The snake is obviously Motley, I'm indifferent about the Hurricane thing and I have no reason to doubt it's a hypo, so I just want to focus on the Caramel & Anery part of the equation.

I realize that the Anery A gene should, in theory, mask the Caramel coloration, but I can't find any photos to support this. Is this just a theory or does someone actually know this to be true?

The snake is supposed to be 28" long, so I really can't see why it would be showing this pink color if it's carrying the Anery A gene...but then again Anery Bloodreds are a lighter red color as babies, so maybe the Anery A does the same thing when combined wiith the caramel color.

Someone suggested that it's actually a Hypo Lavender Motley, but I seriously doubt that. It does look similar, but it has the yellow/gold stripe along the sides just above the belly...not something seen on Hypo Lav. Motleys. However, I have seen this yellow/gold stripe on pastel motleys...so I'm thinking this could be what the guy says it is.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

Anthony Caponetto
www.ACReptiles.com
 
Yes, 'A' Anerythrism does actually mask Caramel. As for that animal actually being a combo of 'A' Anerythrism, Hypomelanism, Motley, and Caramel, well anything is possible, but I would ask for parentage records. Certainly both Pastel Motleys and Caramel Motleys have been around long enough for that to be a possibility.

But FWIW, I have had just regular Pastel Motleys look identical to that animal without any Caramel at all in the blood lines. And from what I have seen of the animals I have produced that are Caramel, Anerythrism and Motley, I would be surprised at that much yellow turning up simply by throwing Hypomelanism into the mix. But I've been surprised before.... :shrugs:
 
Hi Rich,

Thanks for the feedback. It just dawned on me to try looking for a photo of a caramel ghost (same thing without the motley - unless I'm missing something). I found only one snake (on a European site) and it had a tad bit more color than a ghost, but nothing remotely like the animal in question.

I'm still waiting to hear back from the seller, so we'll see what he says about it.

I'm still curious to hear anyone else's input...just for kicks.

Thanks again,
Anthony Caponetto
 
Hi all,

I just heard back from the buy and Rich is correct. It's an Anery Hurricane Motley. The kicker is, the guy said they've produced a number of these within that particular bloodline. After he got his animals, the guy who he got them from has also been produing these weird ones.

Why they're calling them amber is beyond me. ??
 
The Pastel Ghosts I used to work with originally came from Mark Bell. Generally it was only the males that got that awesome pink coloration to them. The females tended to look exactly like what you would expect out of a Ghost Motley.
 
hey anthony it is me the guy that planted the seed in your head . Yep it is a real nice pastel motley. Like I was saying it has the yellow side wash so that would rule out my first guess so it would make it a pastle motley. Nice chatting with you last night. Gald to see you resolved the problem.
 
AnthonyCaponetto said:
Do you have any of the descendants of those snakes, Rich? If so, I'd definitely be interested in getting some from you.
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:-offtopic Sorry about this Anthony, i just wanted to say hello and that i think your morelias are A+! Welcome to the forum! :cheers:
 
AnthonyCaponetto said:
Do you have any of the descendants of those snakes, Rich? If so, I'd definitely be interested in getting some from you.
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Heck, I'm not sure. I sold off all the adults, I think, this past summer. But I may have some younger ones I held back somewhere around here.

I actually got rid of them for a pretty odd reason. Invariably, the clutches were uniformely extremely heavy on males. :shrugs: Since even the pink males looked identical to the duller looking females at the newly hatched baby stage, they just proved to be a headache getting rid of with that heavily skewed sex ratio. And I certainly didn't want to hang onto them for a year or more so they could sell themselves at the shows.
 
Rich are they realted to my amber motley line, was that the same line of pastel motleys that you bred to the butter. I remember you telling me that the multi hets that I got from you were only 1/2 realted to your stock . The pastel motley line you got off someone else and they had a pink color to them
 
Hey Vince and Rich, thanks for all your help. I'm probably a dummy, but I decided to grab the snake. I think it's awesome looking and if it's something I can reproduce, I'll be even happier. I guess it's kinda like buying a lottery ticket...you probably just wasted a buck, but it's still fun to know you might have a shot.

snake5007 said:
:-offtopic Sorry about this Anthony, i just wanted to say hello and that i think your morelias are A+! Welcome to the forum! :cheers:
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Thanks! Morelia are my first love, but as you can see, I'm starting to broaden my horizons a little. :)
 
Vinman said:
Rich are they realted to my amber motley line, was that the same line of pastel motleys that you bred to the butter. I remember you telling me that the multi hets that I got from you were only 1/2 realted to your stock . The pastel motley line you got off someone else and they had a pink color to them
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Yes, I believe that is correct. From what I can recall, I bred Pastel Motley to Butter, but decided to get rid of that project.
 
AnthonyCaponetto said:
Hey Vince and Rich, thanks for all your help. I'm probably a dummy, but I decided to grab the snake. I think it's awesome looking and if it's something I can reproduce, I'll be even happier. I guess it's kinda like buying a lottery ticket...you probably just wasted a buck, but it's still fun to know you might have a shot.



Thanks! Morelia are my first love, but as you can see, I'm starting to broaden my horizons a little. :)
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Man, you got to go where your heart leads you. If the *interest* and *excitement* isn't there, then why do it at all? Good luck!
 
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