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peach hypo what do you think it should be called

Peach hypo what do you think it should be called


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Yes, pounds = lbs = # = kilograms multiplied by 2.2 (roughly)


And since I've always wondered, I looked it up...


“Why are pounds, when used as a weight, abbreviated lbs?”

The origin is in the Latin word libra, which could mean both balance scales (hence the symbol for the astrological sign Libra, which was named after a constellation that was thought to resemble scales) and also a pound weight, for which the full expression was libra pondo, the second word being the origin of our pound.



http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-pou1.htm
 
Hana, I think you hit the nail square on the head. That and being he's from New York City, they know all and are sure to let us know it. I think it was Drizzt80 that had a quote, "those that know the least will always know the loudest". So true.

5'2", 115lbs, and repetitively yappy. He's sure looking more 100% Maltese everyday. :rolleyes:

Vinny, no one is going to ever take you seriously around here, not since the chicken offal argument and not now after your for sale ads, Susan's thread, and the Steve Irwin thread. You need to learn how to have a mature and constructive discussion before you can really get people to listen to and respect you.

All you've shown to us so far is stomping feet and yelling when people don't understand you or your posts. Most people around here who have kids, and those of us who don't, know you don't give quality attention to any child throwing a temper tantrum. You just walk off and let them make a fool of themselves.

For one, I can't understand 80% of your posts, and I worked in an elementary school as an aide I've seen a lot of weird writing. Spell checker is free and does help. Most of us ignore newbie posts where they can't halfway spell or use common basic grammar, let alone a 40+ year old man who "should" know better. It just makes it easier to read and comprehend, trust me. That little extra time you put into your posts reflects that much more on you.

For another, get a freaking digital camera. As Susan has pointed out for less than $200, and I'll bet for less than $100 you can get a decent digital camera. If you can sell $3000 snakes, you can afford a camera. People aren't going to buy weird-name morphs of snakes where the genetics is in question without pictures. Pictures would also help of these animals in question, the "Bandaid Corns".

And lastly, if you think cornsnakes.com is so bad....why are you here? Is it because Kingsnake's Cornsnake forum is 100x worse than us? There you can't have a debate/discussion without half of it getting deleted by the mods, here, only you seem to do that. :rolleyes:

I think the snakes in question are very pretty, I would like to know more about their genetic makeup, but not with you at the helm. I'm glad that Rich Hume decided to step forward and enlighten us all about the "possible" causes for this look. I anticipate future discussion and pictures of the animals.

All you have managed to do with all of this hootin' and hollerin' is to lower your effectiveness as a business man all that much more. A man with pretty stuff isn't going to sell squat if he's an ass to everyone around him. I wouldn't care if these gorgeous snakes were $5, I wouldn't cross the street to buy one from you at this point.

There are lots of things that go into Respect in this business: humbleness, honesty, integrity, knowledge of their subject, basic intelligence, and a willingness to accept and participate in constructive criticism and learn from it. Some of those things you need to work on, I'm afraid. The big names you toss out right and left have our respect because they possess all of the above and more.

I'm not trying to be mean or snippy, just trying to throw some maturity out on the table. Like Susan was trying to do, I am offering insight and help into why people don't listen to or respect you. Its up to YOU to make the changes, not us. We do a darn fine job of accepting most everybody who comes our way.

Edit: I didn't vote for any as the snake doesn't look peach anything to me, it looks like a bunch of Bandaids stuck on a snake to me. Not to mention, its entirely too soon to be naming something with genetics still up in the air. Look at the Mocha-Lavender hoohah a few years ago.
 
Taceas
Vinny, no one is going to ever take you seriously around here, not since the chicken offal argument and not now after your for sale ads, Susan's thread, and the Steve Irwin thread. You need to learn how to have a mature and constructive discussion before you can really get people to listen to and respect you.
At least I tryed something diffrent . you dont see people feed there dogs, cats, and ferrets , whole animals someone tried something diffrent. sorry susan appolygised to me for posting on all my threads , steve irwin. I spoke in a muture manner.
All you've shown to us so far is stomping feet and yelling when people don't understand you or your posts. Most people around here who have kids, and those of us who don't, know you don't give quality attention to any child throwing a temper tantrum. You just walk off and let them make a fool of themselves
sorry wrong again kept my cool didn't get upset just stated my point never got nasty.

yes I cant spell goffed in school trying my best

any time you want to buy me a camera go head I have to pay money that I owe out that is more important

And lastly, if you think cornsnakes.com is so bad....why are you here? Is it because Kingsnake's Cornsnake forum is 100x worse than us? There you can't have a debate/discussion without half of it getting deleted by the mods, here, only you seem to do that.

I think it is fine it stops people like you from ranting and making negative comments attacking people

all their genetic makeup was listed time over and over again if you read chucks post he listed them too

sorry help you no way in hell all you do is that cheap pot shots and feed on negative vibes
 
Vinman said:
I realy dont feel sorry that he died. To me he was a idot I feel sorry for his family.

Oh how mature of you.. :rolleyes:


Vinman said:
NO YOU ARE SO MISTAKEN I HAVE NOT ENJOYED IT. NEVER SAID I DID DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH I JUST PUT UP WITH IT!!! YEA NOW I'M YELLING

Glad to see that was a 'free from nasty' reply...:rolleyes:



First you insist that these are something amazing and new and then you go on to say you may or may not have just plain old hypo lavenders. Which is it?



hana
 
You think it is mature to call a man who just died an idiot in his memorial thread?

Your peachy snakes genetic make up was not listed, their possible heritage was listed, it is not a wee bit the same.

I think I'd better stop trying to get through to you, cause it is not gonna work. If you still think we are the bad guys and you are a nice, socially intelligent, eager to learn from others and mature person, go ahead and do so..... Now I go buy me some vegetables to feed my snakes to try something different. Hell, it might make me queen of the corn world!
 
Hana drop the BS and lets get on with the subject. last request to every one.
I allready posted this twice 3 peach hypos out of 26 eggs , the odds are against me . bot I did get 2 hypo lavender bloods ( aka HLB ) I thought I had 3 HLB but I dont handle my snakes much. after looking at them I noticed that one of the HLB had checkers on the belly that was not there after the first shed. I'm sure this snake is a hypo lavender . the other two that I now say think are simlar in a way . As babies they looked just like the peach hypo as a hatchling as in serpt's pic. now they look like they have more pink to them. another twist there might be two hypos at work here efecting either morph. I cant wait to post the pic's joe is gona take of the bloodreds that came out of this clutch. as I stated 3 times allready the hypos that are the clutchmates of the oranigal HLB male and his brother the charcoal ghost bred back to their mom looked totaly diffrent than any of the other hypo A that I ever produced. they glowed. I hatch many before this breeding.
 
First you said..

Vinman said:
it is a amber lavender the parents are hypo it is all in the thread and my adds and like a snow or a ghost or all the other names do ?
Then you decided to change your mind and said..

Vinman said:
Now I dont know what I have could be amber / lavenders , hypo lavenders , or either or both of these with these in the mix two hypo genes and or charcoal.

Who's the BSer now? Unless the subject has changed to flowers and puppies I think I am still on subject.


Perhaps the reason this thread hasn't died after page three and you have to keep repeating yourself, is the fact that no one can clearly read your posts.. :rolleyes:



hana
 
Why don't you start from the beginning? Say what the parents are, how many hatchlings there are and what proportion of each moprh is in each clutch? If you start from the possible hets present in a clear way then this thread can start to move on.
 
when I say BS I talking about the comments I dont BS stated the truth It is only after my friend was planing to come over and take pic did I notice any change when I gave the snakes a once over. No BS keept it stright up all the way
 
you read my mind just ready to post this again

I bought 1.1 triple hets off rich z they were they het for hypo , charcoal , and bloodred ( aka hypo petwer ) . when I bred them togethe I got two weard looking snakes both males one white and a pink bloodred . I called rich and he could not tell me what was going on . A little while latter that day he called me back to tell me the hypo male he used in the cross was het for lavender. S the white male was a charcoal ghost and the pink male was a hypo lavender bloodred . THe amber that was used was a proven type A hypo .

See I bred a hypo lavender blood het for charcoal ghost to a amber het for butter. All the babies should have came out hypo but they did not. Only 3/4 came out hypo the rest of the clutch came out normal and Rich Humes bought 1.2 normals from this clutch. Now I sold the male hypo blood lavender to Rich Z and he proved it to be a hypo lavender bloodred. I breed the female amber to my type A amber motley and got all ambers. So something weard is going on. There might be 2 hypos at work here and the 2 hypo bloodreds I got are both hypo because the breeder trio is hypo but the 2 male bloodreds look totally diffrent from eachother one is real dark and the other is real bright. So I want to take pic of them side by side and see what people think. This might effect the what makes a peach hypo or the way the peach hypo looks.
now let me add that the hypos that came out of the triple hets I got from rich and when I bred the charcoal ghost back to his mom all the hypos looked much brighter that all the normal type A hypos that I ever produced. Now according to rich z who bought my proven breeder male hypo lavender bloodred proved to be a hypo. Now Rich z has not put any input in this thread or others on his breeding trials with this male .So as far as I know the hypo lavender is a type aA hypo even though it did not produce all hypo babies with a proven hypo A amber go figure this ont out.
not finished will repost the other posts
 
first let me stat I'm not yelling this is a repost from my add in the forsale sec.That was writen in all caps I edite it to the current . changes were maDE keept everything in caps

3 YEARS AGO I BRED A MALE HYPO LAVENDER BLOORRED HET FOR CHARCOAL GOST. TO A FEMALE AMBER HET FOR BUTTER AND KEPT BACK 1.2 HYPO'S FROM THE CLUTCH. THESE HYPO'S ARE MY BREEDER ADULTS THAT MAKE THE PEACH HYPO. I PRODUCED WHAT I THINK ARE TWO PEACH HYPO FEMALES , THREE AMBER FEMALES ,TWO HYPO BLOODRED MALES , ONE AMBER BLOODRED MALE , TWO HYPO LAVENDER BLOODREDS, ONE MALE WHAT I THINK IS HYPO LAVENDERAND AND A BUNCH OF HYPO'S . ALL OUT OF 26 HATCHLINGS. THE PARENTS ARE 1.2 HYPO MULTI HETS . THEY ARE HET FOR HYPO BLOODRED , AMBER , HYPO LAVENDER , POSSIBLE HET FOR CHARCOAL GHOST , AMEL. I'M KEEPING THE SUPER HIGH END MORPHS. I SELLING THE REST OF THE CLUTCH AND THE ADULTS. ALL HATCHLINGS NO MATTER WHAT MORPH THEY ARE POSSIBLE HET FOR ANY OR ALL OF THESE GENES
ALL HATCHLING'S ARE FEEDING ON F.T. FUZZYS ON THEIR OWN. THE ADULTS ARE FEEDING F.T. ADULT MICE. NONE OF THE SNAKES ADULTS OR HATCHLNG'S HAVE NEVER BEEN FORCE FED OR SCENTED TO GET THEM STARTED.
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I just added another repost he is some more to the story

Chuck as I stated befor me and Rich Z had a talk about the hypo gene That there might be a unknown factor that might not let hypo A to hypo A make hypos.
Next year I'm breeding clutch mates to another breeding from the male . from hypo lavender bloodred. crossed to my red female stripe het for blood and anery A.and amel. We will see if they are het for hypo.

then ther is another snake taht I have from that male it is a hypo lavender bloodred crossed to a blood that is het for amel stripe. she was breed to the father of the peach hypo and only 2 eggs hatched one blood and one normal.

I also have 2 other females realted to this project. one is a petwer and a hypoblood. they are from the brother of the hypo lavender bloodred the charcoal ghost breed to his mom. I will be breeding them to the male bloodred het for hypo ,stripe,possible amel,aneryA.

Now here is another twist, the hypos that came out of the parents of the male hypo lavender bloodred and the breeding of his brother, the charcoal ghost to the mom of both males look diffrent that any other hypos that I ever produced from any proven type A hypo. They are more brighter and have more of a fluorescent transparent look to them.
 
I think it is possible that the “Peach” Corn is a “Sunset”( Odd Hypo like gene/Lavender, Caramel, or Sunset Hypo Caramel. This mysterious weird hypo has been pestering breeders for a long time. I wonder what this gene would do to a Caramel? I remember Rich Z not getting all Hypos out of “Hypo” Lavs and “Ambers” when bred to known Hypos.

This would mean that they looked like a Hypo, but were only het for Hypo. They could be homo for some odd hypo gene, that has been popping up in the Lavender line for a long time. Rich Z has mentioned the same problem with his Crimsons too I believe.

It is certainly possible for the problem child to be another unproven hypo gene, but the cause of my “Sunset” Lavender seems to be a possibility anyway, especially since Lavender is involved and a very likely carrier of this oddity. The “Peach” Corns seem to have the same milky look to them. The “Dilute” gene could be one in the same or another possibility as well. It seems obvious that a Hypo Mimic of some kind is involved in this mix. If Rich Hume says that he believes this is the case, I would have to say that it is very likely to be so.

Here are some comparison photos between “Casper” and a Lavender sibling. I think if we added the Caramel gene to Casper, something similar to the Peach Corns would be produced.

There was a reference on page four that I get to name morphs what ever I want. That is about as far from the truth as you can possibly get. Just look at the Transparent Hypo/Blue Ice thread for example. I have suggested a lot of names over the years, but only a handful of them have ever been accepted and time tested, which is the deciding factor when it comes to naming morphs. These guys are the color of a Peach Crayon, but I would like to see a Peach Corn that is orange, yellow and pink, like Kat eluded to earlier.
 

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That certainly adds some food for thought, because that milky look and the peach tones are certainly along the same lines, it will be good to see the new pictures so comparisons can be made directly
 
Blutengel said:
I think I'd better stop trying to get through to you, cause it is not gonna work.
This reminds me of a couple of quotes my grandmother and my grandfather used to throw out at me:

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."

&

"There's no point in beating a dead horse."

ANYwho...

I've been following a couple of other threads that Joe P. refered too, one of them being the blue steeled or the 'dilute' gene and I'm very interested in seeing how that evolves down the road. I know there had been interest voiced in seeing what the dilute gene would do to several different morphs.

Jenn
 
Vinman said:
Taceas
At least I tryed something diffrent . you dont see people feed there dogs, cats, and ferrets , whole animals someone tried something diffrent.

Actually... some people do. The BARF diet, in its purest form, stands for "Biologically Appropriate Raw Food" ... and in the case of cats, that's raw birds and mice. My cats certainly choose what they'd like to eat... and yes, raw prey makes up a part of that. Granted, I still haven't gotten them to take F/T mice, they prefer to go out and get their own!

Some people - at least over here in the UK - also feed their ferrets whole dead prey.

I have to third (or fourth, or forty-eighth) that these peach-crayon-coloured snakes are gorgeous as young ones - but are there any adults that have attained their full yellow/etc colouring yet?

And if I didn't know exactly what genetics went into one... I don't think I'd buy it, no matter how pretty they might be as juvies or adults. I want to know exactly what something is and what it might carry right down to an animal being "66% het for X, Y and Z" never mind what its visual phenotype is.
 
No adults yet .ecreipeoj sunset is a preety snake also weard how that is a lavender I cant wait to see if he will produce more of them. I had the a few conversation with Rich Z on the hypo thing and like I have posted before there might be some unknown factor that makes hypo to hypo not make hypo.
 
But recessive genes don't work like that. Recessive Hypo A (hh) X recessive Hypo A (hh) = 100% recessive Hypo A (hh), barring a spontaneous genetic mutation. Granted, we can't completely discount spontaneous mutation, but if the babies out of 'hypo' parents look like standard non-hypo animals, it's unlikely to be a spontaneous. Better to go with Occam's razor and figure that one parent LOOKS hypo-A-ish in phenotype but isn't homozygous hypo-A in genotype.
 
here is the pic's Joe jr took

this is a hypo bloodred and a hypo that are unusally bright I waiting for the pic of the dark hypo blood red the two corns that I think are peach are in shead I pretty sure what I have now
 

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