quality cell phone pic (lol)

[wild neonate]

Heres my striped sunglow.

 

[cohazard]

Is that mouse FT? It looks alive and scared lol

 

[Plissken]

Nice snake That does look like a live mouse though. I'd just like to remind you that feeding live can be risky, as can feeding on the substrate. Be sure to read up on the risks if you haven't already. Good luck.

 

[gzyv15a]

Wow. That is one bright snake. Even though that picture was taken with a cell phone, you can still see the intense color to it.

I know they're amel stripes, but is it the intensity of the orange/red that constitutes the name sunglow stripe?

Just a great looking snake.

 

[Shade]

hahah, that mouse looks terrified. The snake's gorgeous, as well.

 

[wild neonate]

Yes I'm aware of the risks live feeding as well as substrate poses. I monitor their feeding closesly, and try to ensure the snakes strike at the mouse's head. I normally stun the mice before offering them to the snakes, and I make sure no substrate gets stuck on the mouse or ends up in the snake's mouth. Thats an older picture and now I have a separate sterilite for feeding which has no substrate. As for the morph it was purchased as a sunglow motley but obviously seems to be more of a striped motley. My sister got a digital camera now so I'll snap some nice photos of the rest of the collection.

 

[wild neonate]

...having the snakes feed on live prey helps develop their predatory instincts and gets em to subdue their prey more efficiently or so I'm lead to believe. As they move up from pinkies & fuzzies to larger sized mice there definitely IS a danger though, mice can and will bite in defense and a poorly stricken/constricted mouse will almost surely bite your snake; in some pet shops I've observed during feeding time the feeders will spin the rats about by their tails to get them dizzy or will actually break the necks of the larger jungle rats when its python feeding time. Some snakes may refuse dead prey, and ironically I do have one snake that will refuse any live prey. However I generally let the snakes dispatch their prey, I got a thing with killing animals now :sobstory:

 

[C0rn_Sn@ke]

Nice pictures,
i think its cruel feeding live mice to snakes, i'd much rather have the mice dead and get eaten without feeling a thing

 

[snakemom1961]

I use to feed my Tiaga live adult mice then small rats. Finally decided to try f/t. She hasn't had a problem eating them at all. Is much easier for me also since I can buy a months worth at a time and keep em in the freezer, rather then going to the petstore with my girls to get a live rat which I'm DEATHLY afraid of. Try f/t. I'm sure he/she will take them with no problem. Even though for me was very interesting watching Tiaga catching and killing the rats........LOL

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

...having the snakes feed on live prey helps develop their predatory instincts and gets em to subdue their prey more efficiently or so I'm lead to believe. ............
I generally let the snakes dispatch their prey, I got a thing with killing animals now :sobstory:

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I monitor their feeding closesly, and try to ensure the snakes strike at the mouse's head. I normally stun the mice before offering them to the snakes, and I make sure no substrate gets stuck on the mouse or ends up in the snake's mouth.

And why the hell would you need to develope a captive snake's predatory instints? Pure nonsense.
You don't need to kill them, you can buy frozen mice, you don't have a problem "stunning" them? You said you sometimes stun them...That is just as bad as killing them. Either way that mouse obviously wasn't stunned.
You can make up B.S. statements like that but the simple fact is you get your kicks out of watching them kill. That's the simplicity of it all.

You say you monitor them and make sure the snake takes the mouse head on.. etc.. etc.. etc
It only takes about 1/2 a second for a mouse to bite through the eye, mouth, face or even spine of a snake.
There is absolutely no way on earth you would be fast enough to prevent the first or probably even the first several bites.
Keep telling yourself that load of bull but don't waste you time trying to convince us.
We know the dangers and choose the safest course for our snakes.
Even when the necessity for live arises stunning the animal first, works.
My opinions on the subject

 

[ZephYR]

Nice pictures,
i think its cruel feeding live mice to snakes, i'd much rather have the mice dead and get eaten without feeling a thing

I agree, I don't mind in the wild, ut I think it's sick the way people can just let an animal die slowly and painfully like that. And how can you have a thing with killing animals? That is plain sick.

 

[Roy Munson]

I agree, I don't mind in the wild, ut I think it's sick the way people can just let an animal die slowly and painfully like that. And how can you have a thing with killing animals? That is plain sick.

Eaaaasy. Watching snakes subdue prey by constriction is interesting. It's not always about kicks and psychopathic tendencies. How many live feedings have you offered? I assure you that it is not a slow death, though I will not go so far as to say that it's painless for the mouse. You like to keep a comfy barrier between you and your pets' prey, and that's cool. Some animal activists would say that it's cruel to support the breeding of mice just so they can be killed to serve as prey for your exotic pet. Don't be judgemental because someone else draws this line in a different place than you do... Or you can trade your snake for a bunny to reduce your chances of treading in hypocritical territory.

BTW: F/T is safer, so I'm an advocate of that method.

 

[Nanci]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Roy Munson again.

Excellent thoughts, Dean. We all draw the line at a different place. I like to eat beef, but if there was a cow standing out in my backyard, I'd have a tough time killing it myself. I think I'd pretty much have to be starving and all the grocery stores in the world annihilated. Then I could do it. I had a hard time, at first, eating eggs from my hens!

I tried _almost_ everything to get my Eastern Hoggy to eat voluntarily, crossing line after line I didn't think I would- live frog, live anole- but I couldn't cross the live toad line, and that is why I now have a new pet, Mr. Toad the ex-scenting toad. (Oh yes, the others were released unharmed- she didn't feel like eating those, either...)

I feed everyone F/T in a separate container.

I guess I can understand someone with 900 snakes that gets a shipment once a week feeding live- apparently they are a lot cheaper/easier to ship alive.

Nanci

 

[dionythicus]

I find the concept of "if it happens in nature, I'm ok with a snake eating live, but not in my house". While feeding f/t IS preferred by most and IS the safest meal for our snakes, the fact of nature is that snakes do eat live, they do constrict, they do get tagged and killed sometimes in the wild. I would rather feed f/t to all my snakes, but I for one do not have a problem letting nature take its course if I have a snake that will only take live. Yes, I know my snake may get hurt, or killed, but again it's what happens in the natural world and I am not always able to shield my animals from harm. We have removed these beautiful predators from their natural environment and in doing so have changed their normal lifestyle to suit our needs. We offer them dead mice that they wouldn't ordinarily find in the wild, but I'm sure they wouldn't refuse one if they came across it. We make them live the way we want them to and in doing so we must make the best decisions for their well being. It all comes down to taking responsibility for our actions and accepting the potential consequences w/o excuses, finger pointing or crying about it. It's a hard fact of life that there is pain, suffering and death every day in the world and we do the best we can to eliminate it, but snakes were designed to kill living things. I would rather feed f/t, since most snakes don't seem to care, a mouse is a mouse, but there is no need to berate or belittle someone for allowing the natural progression of life and death to occur.

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

It's probably not as much the feeding live as the reasons...
Just tell the truth.
Don't make up stupid reasons.
Just say, "I like to see it, to me it's natural"
Don't give lame excuses such as it develops their predatory instincts, thats lame.
But beyond that, whether you like to see it, its done in the wild or whatever.
It is safer to feed f/t.
Why take the chance if it isn't necessary?
if that is belittling then so be it.

 

[dionythicus]

I agree with you. Making excuses is pretty sad.

 

[wild neonate]

Care to start a thread on snake feeding ethics? If i wanted to be sick and cruel i could cut off a leg or two. If you have a problem concerning the nature of predatory animals, maybe you shouldn't keep snakes as pets. :flames:

 

[cassandra]

Care to start a thread on snake feeding ethics?

Or join in one of the many that already exist....this is a picture forum. Let's talk about the picture, not use it as a stumping ground for opinions on a fairly sensitive subject in herptology.

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Great picture! I loves me a sunglow day or night! =D

 

[snakemom1961]

Yes I use to feed Tiaga live, and yes I did enjoy watching her constrict the mice and baby rats.I did that because when I bought her 4 years ago that's how the petshop fed thier snakes, and at the time I knew NOTHING about f/t. It wasn't until I found this forum and started reading that I learned so much more then I could have known before. I decided I would try f/t on her but wasn't sure she would readily accept it since for the 4 years we had her and probably a year or so before(she was a young adult when I bought her) she had been fed live. Luckily for us she had no problem accepting f/t and that is what I have been giving her for the last 6 months or so. Please try f/t with your snake. They don't NEED live, and the risks of injury to your snake IMO just aren't worth continuing feeding live.

 

[jazzgeek]

Care to start a thread on snake feeding ethics? If i wanted to be sick and cruel i could cut off a leg or two.

Very nice "strawman" argument. It's akin to a deadbeat dad saying, "So what if I don't pay attention to my children? I least I don't beat them, like my dad did to me!"

It's weak logic.

If you have a problem concerning the nature of predatory animals, maybe you shouldn't keep snakes as pets. :flames:

If you have a problem concerning the nature of predicate logic, maybe you should donate your brain for empirical research. :flames:

regards,
jazz