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Lets do DNA Testing on the Ultra Line.
I could go into all of the details and facts about why I believe there was hybrid blood introduced into the Ultra line in the beginning of its history, but it has been stated in other threads in detail. I do not see how anybody can look at all of the Gray Rat Hybrid blood references in the history of the Ultra Line and say that they do not believe one single word of it and firmly stand by the Ultra line as being pure Corns. If this group of people are so against hybrid blood in their Corns, then why would they dismiss all of the hybrid references during its history as total fabrication and then breed the Ultras into every mutant Corn gene that we have? If they are so against hybrids, then why would they take the chance that these references of hybrid blood in the Ultra line may have some shred of truth to them and “pollute” the entire Corn Snake gene pool. It seems to me to be a “Watergate” type cover up of the truth.
I have a serious problem with the current split position on the history of the Ultra gene. I have several Corns that trace directly back to Mike Shivers line of “Ultra Ambers”, now known as Goldust Corns, which is the main line that has Gray Rat references in it history many times. When I raise these Corns up and breed them, I am going to give the history as I know it. If others are stating that their Ultra line is pure Corn and I say that my line has a history of having Gray Rat in them, even though they are from the same exact line, who do you think they will buy their Ultras from? They will buy them from the “They are Pure Corn people“, even thought the lines are identical. This situations is totally unacceptable to me on a personal note and from a business stand point.
I was reading through a thread about a possible new Anery the other day, and Don S made a post that we may need to start doing DNA testing on these new Morphs to see if they are Corns or have Hybrid blood in them. I think we should start with the Ultra line and perhaps include a few others such as the Amels, Lavenders, Caramels and Bloods just to see how pure our Corn Snake gene pool is today. Lets put an end to all of this mixing of words to present what we want to be true, and lay it all out on the table.
I believe DNA results will show that the Ultra Line has Gray Rat blood in them, and I will not be surprised in the least if the other lines that I mentioned above are not as pure as some of us would like to believe. There is just too much Hybrid Blood Space Garbage floating around in our Corn Snake Gene Pool for it not be contaminating the Pool as a whole.
If this proves to be the case, what are we going to do about it? Get out of Corns all together or accept the situation, remove all of the fancy debating about the subject, and continue working with one of the most interesting Snake species that there is. We are talking about captive bred Corn Snake Mutants with a multitude of mutant genes in them, not Locality Specific wild lines of Corns.
It is very obvious that DNA testing on snakes is being done, since it is being used to help establish some of the subspecies. Does anybody know who and where we can get DNA testing done, and what samples we will need to submit to have the testing done? It seems as if to test the Ultra line, we will need some samples from wild caught Corns and wild caught Gray Rats. It would seem that once we have a base line from wild caught Corns that we could easily have them compared to any of our mutant lines that we have. I bet that a base line for Corns has already been established by those that have already done some testing.
The cost of testing always comes up. What if we all band together, much like many of us did for the Hypo Test Breeding Project, and perhaps donated to a fund to cover the cost of the tests. It seems as if a very small donation from enough people would more than cover the cost. We would also need somebody to coordinate the entire process. I have a feeling that the process to get the information that we need to eliminate all of the constant bickering on this subject will be much easier than we may think.
Since DNA testing can remove the differences of opinion on the Ultra Hybrid issue and test to see how pure some of the other lines are, why not finally put this ridiculous bickering and constant heated debates on the subject to an end and learn the truth. Is there some people in our industry that are afraid of the truth or do they just not want the truth to be known? I for one am sick and tired of the subject and want to put an end to it.
I was very curious to see how the history of the Ultra gene was going to be represented by those who will be producing them for sale this year. There seems to be two positions on the subject at this time. The Ultras have hybrid blood in them, it can not be changed, and we don’t care. The Ultra line is pure Corn. I firmly believe that the Ultra line has hybrid blood in them from the very beginning and it has been out crossed so much that today’s Ultras appear to be Corns. There are also many Ultras that appear to be obvious hybrids as well.Joejr14 said:
I could go into all of the details and facts about why I believe there was hybrid blood introduced into the Ultra line in the beginning of its history, but it has been stated in other threads in detail. I do not see how anybody can look at all of the Gray Rat Hybrid blood references in the history of the Ultra Line and say that they do not believe one single word of it and firmly stand by the Ultra line as being pure Corns. If this group of people are so against hybrid blood in their Corns, then why would they dismiss all of the hybrid references during its history as total fabrication and then breed the Ultras into every mutant Corn gene that we have? If they are so against hybrids, then why would they take the chance that these references of hybrid blood in the Ultra line may have some shred of truth to them and “pollute” the entire Corn Snake gene pool. It seems to me to be a “Watergate” type cover up of the truth.
I have a serious problem with the current split position on the history of the Ultra gene. I have several Corns that trace directly back to Mike Shivers line of “Ultra Ambers”, now known as Goldust Corns, which is the main line that has Gray Rat references in it history many times. When I raise these Corns up and breed them, I am going to give the history as I know it. If others are stating that their Ultra line is pure Corn and I say that my line has a history of having Gray Rat in them, even though they are from the same exact line, who do you think they will buy their Ultras from? They will buy them from the “They are Pure Corn people“, even thought the lines are identical. This situations is totally unacceptable to me on a personal note and from a business stand point.
I was reading through a thread about a possible new Anery the other day, and Don S made a post that we may need to start doing DNA testing on these new Morphs to see if they are Corns or have Hybrid blood in them. I think we should start with the Ultra line and perhaps include a few others such as the Amels, Lavenders, Caramels and Bloods just to see how pure our Corn Snake gene pool is today. Lets put an end to all of this mixing of words to present what we want to be true, and lay it all out on the table.
I believe DNA results will show that the Ultra Line has Gray Rat blood in them, and I will not be surprised in the least if the other lines that I mentioned above are not as pure as some of us would like to believe. There is just too much Hybrid Blood Space Garbage floating around in our Corn Snake Gene Pool for it not be contaminating the Pool as a whole.
If this proves to be the case, what are we going to do about it? Get out of Corns all together or accept the situation, remove all of the fancy debating about the subject, and continue working with one of the most interesting Snake species that there is. We are talking about captive bred Corn Snake Mutants with a multitude of mutant genes in them, not Locality Specific wild lines of Corns.
It is very obvious that DNA testing on snakes is being done, since it is being used to help establish some of the subspecies. Does anybody know who and where we can get DNA testing done, and what samples we will need to submit to have the testing done? It seems as if to test the Ultra line, we will need some samples from wild caught Corns and wild caught Gray Rats. It would seem that once we have a base line from wild caught Corns that we could easily have them compared to any of our mutant lines that we have. I bet that a base line for Corns has already been established by those that have already done some testing.
The cost of testing always comes up. What if we all band together, much like many of us did for the Hypo Test Breeding Project, and perhaps donated to a fund to cover the cost of the tests. It seems as if a very small donation from enough people would more than cover the cost. We would also need somebody to coordinate the entire process. I have a feeling that the process to get the information that we need to eliminate all of the constant bickering on this subject will be much easier than we may think.
Since DNA testing can remove the differences of opinion on the Ultra Hybrid issue and test to see how pure some of the other lines are, why not finally put this ridiculous bickering and constant heated debates on the subject to an end and learn the truth. Is there some people in our industry that are afraid of the truth or do they just not want the truth to be known? I for one am sick and tired of the subject and want to put an end to it.
