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Question: Blizzard vs. Whiteout

Dracoluna

Dracoluna

Katie Nagorny
I was looking over the morphs that are now available and decided to look up my blizzard. First off, I got Flurry 9 years ago from a breeder who told me he was a blizzard and the way he described the genetics to me was that that meant he was amel, anery, and had the 'patternless' gene. Needless to say, I figured out that was wrong when I bred him to Kitai (normal, het amel, anery) and got amels and normals.
The reason I'm curious is in looking up 'blizzard' (http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/blizzard/), I saw several that had light patterns or yellowing. Going through the list, I saw 'whiteout' (http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/whiteout/) and those look completely, 100%, white. I gather there is just the one gene difference of the 'diffused' gene but is there a way to tell from the look of the snake or is it simply in the genotype? If it is simply genotype, what testing could be done to see a snake carried the 'diffused' gene?
 
If you could post a picture of your snake it may help, post a picture of the belly as well. A whiteout should have a solid white belly, no checkers and a blizzard will have faded white checkers.

As for breeding trails, if you can find a bloodred(aka diffused) female to breed him to that would prove if he is a diffused or not. All babies would be diffused.
 
I believe your breeding proved he is at least a blizzard. A blizzard would be amel and charcoal (anery B) so it makes sense that a pairing with a normal het amel and anery would only produce normals and amels. Were your snake a snow you would have seen normal, amel and anery from that pairing.
 
Good point. I'll post a few pics to see if that helps. He wasn't being cooperative.

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One thing I forgot to mention is I've never seen a pattern on him or even yellowing. He's solid, solid, white. The reason I'm curious is because after looking around at the various morphs available now, the diffused varieties intrigue me. If he carries it, I'd like to know sooner rather than later since he's already 9 years old. Btw, is there a maximum age for breeding a corn? Thanks for the help!
 
I don't see any checkers from the pictures...I'd get a Bloodred(diffused) girl that's big enough to breed next year... I'd also get a striped something... Since that can also cause a lack of belly checkers.

Males will generally keep breeding, I think. Females need to be at least 3 years old (300grams and 3 feet long) to breed. I read they reach their prime at age 7, and i've seen people still breeding at age 10.
 
Thanks for the info. Since the diffused lines are the ones I've been looking at, if he turns out to be whiteout, it would be nice. He's always been healthy, docile, and produced great babies in the past so he's the type I'd like to continue breeding.
 
I'd find a pewter girl for him. That would prove out the charcoal AND the diffused at the same time.
 
I was looking at the pewters or fires to be honest. Are either of those easy to come by? I'm a little behind on my morphs/availability.
 
Both are fairly easy to find for around $100. You might even be able to find a proven breeder for a $150-200. Post something in the "Corn Snakes Wanted" section and see what happens!
 
Thanks for the advice. I'm going to a reptile show here in Wisconsin this Sunday so if I don't find any there, then I'll post. Thanks again to all of you for your help on this. I appreciate it.
 
He does look like our whiteout. Just as a thought though, occasionally in the UK "patternless" is used to describe a vanishing stripe, which may well give you the same look (although the only snake I have to go by is our vanishing stripe anery - not the same at all!). So you may want to test against stripe as well.
 
I was debating that. As a personal preference, I'm not fond of the striped snakes but since he is 9, I don't have several years to just keep testing things out either. Stripe is a recessive to normal, correct?
 
Yes it is.
Maybe get a pewter het stripe if you can find it? That way you can prove out the stripe too, and not have a stripe yourself that your not fond of...
 
I can imagine people would mix up the diffused gene with patternless if they are not very knowledgeable and are told so and so by a breeder. Like;' he is diffused which means his sides are patternless'. Next version of the storie; 'he is patternless, his pattern vanishes'. There you go, next time he is a 'vanishing pattern'.
 
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