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Question please
- Thread starter D.J.
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OK. I read several statements like the following on Wikipedia's website (as well as a few others):
"Candycane - These are amelanistic corns bred toward the ideal of red saddle marks on a white background. Some were produced using light creamsicle (emory/albino corn hybrids x corn) bred with Miami phase corns. Most candy canes develop orange coloration around the neck region as they mature and many labeled as candycanes later develop significant amounts of yellow or orange in the ground colour. The contrast they have as hatchlings often fades with maturity."
So the candycanes who have the creamsicles in their background are hybrids & the ones who do not are pure corn? How would one know if they had a candy cane with emory in it?
"Candycane - These are amelanistic corns bred toward the ideal of red saddle marks on a white background. Some were produced using light creamsicle (emory/albino corn hybrids x corn) bred with Miami phase corns. Most candy canes develop orange coloration around the neck region as they mature and many labeled as candycanes later develop significant amounts of yellow or orange in the ground colour. The contrast they have as hatchlings often fades with maturity."
So the candycanes who have the creamsicles in their background are hybrids & the ones who do not are pure corn? How would one know if they had a candy cane with emory in it?
I also came across this archived discussion that was on this forum:
02-26-2008, 09:24 PM
Kathy Love had the ORIGINAL Candycanes using Emoryi. Miami's are used now due to the hybrid issue.
(should reread before I hit submit)
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CRIKEY!02-26-2008, 09:38 PM
Excuse me for my ignorance but what is the hybrid issue?
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TripleMoonsExotic02-26-2008, 09:56 PM
Corn x Emoryi = Hybrid (Rootbeer, Creamsicle, etc)
Hybrids are generally frowned upon if they are not properly identified over the generations. Some do not want them in their lines because they are not "pure" corns, they are the crossing of two different ratsnakes.
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Rich Z02-26-2008, 11:32 PM
Actually the first person I ever heard use the term "Candy Cane" as applied to a cultivar of the corn snakes was Kevin Enge. His stock originally came from Glen Slemmer through Hogtown Herps.
My own Candy Cane stock was developed independently of any other existing stock because I was concerned about the emoryi crossing that some of the other stock had used within it's ancestry. So I did this the hard way by simply breeding amelanism in to Miami Phase stock and improving the stock with each generation. This was the longest running project I ever had (begun in 1978 or so), and although I did keep a few, I basically terminated this project last year in favor of ones much more interesting to me.
Actually these days, producing something new as a combination of existing genes, is really not all that difficult. The really tough part is coming up with a COOL name for the new creation....... :rofl:
02-26-2008, 09:24 PM
Kathy Love had the ORIGINAL Candycanes using Emoryi. Miami's are used now due to the hybrid issue.
(should reread before I hit submit)
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CRIKEY!02-26-2008, 09:38 PM
Excuse me for my ignorance but what is the hybrid issue?
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TripleMoonsExotic02-26-2008, 09:56 PM
Corn x Emoryi = Hybrid (Rootbeer, Creamsicle, etc)
Hybrids are generally frowned upon if they are not properly identified over the generations. Some do not want them in their lines because they are not "pure" corns, they are the crossing of two different ratsnakes.
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Rich Z02-26-2008, 11:32 PM
Actually the first person I ever heard use the term "Candy Cane" as applied to a cultivar of the corn snakes was Kevin Enge. His stock originally came from Glen Slemmer through Hogtown Herps.
My own Candy Cane stock was developed independently of any other existing stock because I was concerned about the emoryi crossing that some of the other stock had used within it's ancestry. So I did this the hard way by simply breeding amelanism in to Miami Phase stock and improving the stock with each generation. This was the longest running project I ever had (begun in 1978 or so), and although I did keep a few, I basically terminated this project last year in favor of ones much more interesting to me.
Actually these days, producing something new as a combination of existing genes, is really not all that difficult. The really tough part is coming up with a COOL name for the new creation....... :rofl:
Tara80
ACR Breeder # 787
Honestly, I don't know anyone who has bred creamsicle into a miami, at least these days. That may have happened a long time ago but I wouldn't assume they are crosses at this point. Essentially they are Amel Miamis, where there's minimal orange/yellow/red ground color between the saddles.
