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Quick question bout lighing for Corn SNakes

Hi, I am new to this. lol. I am getting my corn baby next week and i want to have my tank all ready. i have a heating lamp with the spot light bulb for heating. temperary for now. but anyways. i was wonderin if the light sits on top of the screen or do u put it inside the tank, hanging from the screen. Wnats to know what is best as this is my first snake. And its very expensive ($150) for the snake so whats to do this right. lol. tks and would appreciate any answers. my email is [email protected]. tks

josh
 
So what you need is an under tank heater that covers about 1/4 of the bottom of the tank, on the outside, and a thermostat to keep the heat at 85F so you don't cook the snake (unregulated UTHs get to 120 or higher). The snake doesn't need light or a basking spot.

Nanci
 
I would definitely put it on top of the screen. The lamp itself gets hot enough to burn, and your snake WILL try to climb on it.
 
thank you so much for the info. i really appreciate it. i dont' have a under the tank heat pad yet. i am getting one soon as i can but i spent close to $400 so far preparing for this. so i have a heat lamp for now. am getting a UTH soon as i can. tks again.
 
Also forgot to mention, be careful what kind of bulb you buy.
Corn snakes do not need UVB or UVA lighting, and it can be harmful to some of them.
 
oh really. interesting. i wasn't told that at the pet shop. i just asked for the bulb for my snake. i am sure they gave me the right one but they should have told me that. will then again they will prob tell me next wk when i goes in to pick it up. tks for the tips.
 
Oh i forgot also, the pet store told me i need a big light to go over the tank to have on for 12 hrs and off for 12 hrs, but i talked a few ppl who didnt' do this and had their snake for a long time. what do ev1 do for lightin. what do u use.
 
Those lights get very, very hot. Be careful. I would try touching the screen after you have the light sitting on it- I bet you get burned. I got one a long time ago for a tortoise and tried sitting it on the screen and it was _way_ too hot for my liking, and I just had a low watt bulb! So then I got some clamp thing and clamped that on the viv- which is open- I don't know how you'd clamp it on a covered viv. So even my small light heats up to 95F or hotter- way too hot for a corn. You might even try a normal low wattage bulb like a 35 or something.

Here's a pic of the broiling light in action. The light is at least 12" above the hide.
 

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Snakes do not need UVA/UVB light for anything. The only reason for a light at all is so you can see your snake. Oh- and I was told that fluorescent lights don't produce heat. That is complete BS. I have these new cages, with built-in fluorescent lights that I thought would be cool to have on a couple hours in the evening. Well, when the cage temp soared to over 95F- I had to turn the lights off! I pretty much can only have them on for a few minutes. Maybe in winter they will be ok.

Nanci
 
newsnakeowner1978 said:
oh really. interesting. i wasn't told that at the pet shop. i just asked for the bulb for my snake. i am sure they gave me the right one but they should have told me that. will then again they will prob tell me next wk when i goes in to pick it up. tks for the tips.


Oh i forgot also, the pet store told me i need a big light to go over the tank to have on for 12 hrs and off for 12 hrs, but i talked a few ppl who didnt' do this and had their snake for a long time. what do ev1 do for lightin. what do u use.

First of all, don't expect that pet store workers will always know what they're talking about. They're likely to lump all reptiles in to one sale group, and not all pet stores even take care of their animals properly.
For instance, many reptiles do need UVB lighting to help produce calcium, but snakes get it right from the bones of their prey.
Pet store workers may not realize that many of the popular corn snake morphs are albino, and just like albino people, sunlight can be bad for them.

As for the 12 hour on/off lighting cycle, this would be because you don't want to upset the snakes natural cycle by making it think it's daylight for 24 hours.
I'd assume most people here don't bother turning a light on and off, because most people here prefer to use only under tank heaters. Alternately, you can get lights that are meant for "night time viewing" (blue or red bulbs usually) that can provide the heat 24/7 without interrupting the snake's natural cycles.
 
newsnakeowner1978 said:
Hi, I am new to this. lol. I am getting my corn baby next week and i want to have my tank all ready. i have a heating lamp with the spot light bulb for heating. temperary for now. but anyways. i was wonderin if the light sits on top of the screen or do u put it inside the tank, hanging from the screen. Wnats to know what is best as this is my first snake. And its very expensive ($150) for the snake so whats to do this right. lol. tks and would appreciate any answers. my email is [email protected]. tks

josh


There are two schools of thought on lighting: 1) it’s not needed, or 2) it should be considered. I happen think a heat lamp makes a lot of sense.

As you probably know by now, the proper way to keep a snake is to provide an enclosure with a heat gradient. There should be a cool end and a warm end. The cool end should have ambient air temperatures in the mid 70s, the warm end should be in the upper 80s. These temperatures refer to the ambient air temperature in the enclosure. The gradient is important so the snake can thermoregulate. Additionally, properly heated ambient air is conducive to a good immune system.

Maintaining the warm end in the mid to upper 80s is not necessarily as easy as it sounds. You can do it, though, in a number of ways. The two most popular methods are the use of a heat lamp, or the use of an under-tank-heater (UTH), either (or both) placed at the warm end of the enclosure.

UTHs are great for heating the glass on the bottom of the enclosure. The theory is that the snake can burrow under the substrate and lie on the warm glass and absorb all the heat it needs. The problem I have encountered is that while the UTH is great for heating the glass, it’s horrible for raising the ambient air temperature. You can use the UTH along with a rheostat or thermostat to control the temperature on the glass.

Lights, on the other hand, do a great job at raising ambient air temperature. They are simply NOT just used for night viewing. Using them in conjunction with a rheostat or thermostat prevents the problem in Nanci’s picture – too high temperatures. A perch or other area under the light gives the snake a place to lie and absorb heat without having to burrow for it.

There are different bulbs that can be used in a heat lamp. Florescent lights can be used, but they can’t be used with a rheostat. They do give off some heat, and some give off UVA/UVB light. I’d avoid lights that give off a lot of UV light as this kind of light over a long term can damage eyes – especially in an albino snake. Incandescent bulbs give off both light and decent amounts of heat. White lights will need to be turned off at night so as not to disturb thr night snakes need. A better choice, IMO, would be a black light bul, such as those made by Flukers or Exo-Terra. Both make purple bulbs that give off very little light, and good amounts of heat. Both are entirely suitable for night viewing. They don’t give off any appreciable amounts of UV light. And they can be left on 24/7 since they don’t interrupt the night cycle.

These are the bulbs I’m referring to:
http://www.flukerfarms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=46
http://www.exo-terra.com/EN/products/night_glo_i.html

ZooMed makes a red bulb as well that would be suitable, but I have found these to be VERY bright.
http://www.zoomed.com/html/nightlight_red.php

I like the purple lights much better.

I happen to use both a UTH and a lamp on both my vivariums. But if I had to give up one, I’d give up the UTH. My snakes see to much prefer basking than burrowing when they want to warm up. And the often heard argument that “belly heat is better” is not supported by any science I’ve seen – but it is a convenient mantra for those that say the UTH is the only way to go.

Enjoy your snakes. One of the enjoyable things about them is work you have to put into caring for them. You’ll soon see that the many challenges you will encounter in caring for your snake will have more than one solution. This is one of them.
 
Thank you all so much for your info. It has been a great help. I been doing extensive research for the past few weeks bout caring for the snake, feeding, diases, etc etc etc, but i could not find any sensible info bout lighting. Tks again all for the info. If anyone got anymore info it would be greatly appreciated. you can post it here or send to my email at [email protected]. tks all.

Josh
 
newsnakeowner1978 said:
Thank you all so much for your info. It has been a great help. I been doing extensive research for the past few weeks bout caring for the snake, feeding, diases, etc etc etc, but i could not find any sensible info bout lighting. Tks again all for the info. If anyone got anymore info it would be greatly appreciated. you can post it here or send to my email at [email protected]. tks all.

Josh
email addy is [email protected]
 
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