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Ratsnakes breeding with cornsnakes WHAT?

necromantica

necromantica

snake charmer
Ok I was like, doing my thing, randomly joggling google. When I ran into this!

http://www.crotalusco.com/available/

It says they are crossing ratsnakes with cornsnakes? Are they really so close related that they can BREED!

I must be having a blond moment this is probably really common news and I am just now onto the band waggon years later.

Is this pretty common? Do alot of corn snakes get bred with rat snakes?

I am a little confused now because I was online looking for the best place to get a lavender corn snake because I've decided I want a nutter snake lol.

But now that I've seen this I'm a little worried, I mean how do you tell other then given history if a corn snake has been bred with a rat snake?
Is their a physical trait difference?
Or is their no difference between the two species?
Is breeding corn with rat snakes, better or worse then breeding corns?

This seems to be a totally new concept for me!
 
By the way.....

while on the concept, if anyones looking to sell a female lavender cornsnake let me know....

I am doing some work online to get the money into my paypal and should be ready to purchase a snake around the 5th to 10th of next month.

So if your expecting a clutch or think you will still have some available babies or adults let me know!
 
cornsnake hybrids/integrades are very common. Most notably the corn x emory (creamsicles and root beers). Cinnamon is corn x great plains rat. Ethical breeders should state if their stock is hyrbridized. Another example is the 'jungle corn' which is a corn x cal king hybrid.

also...cornsnakes are technically a type of ratsnake...the red ratsnake.
 
ZoologyGirl said:
cornsnake hybrids are very common. Most notably the corn x emory (creamsicles and root beers). Ethical breeders should state if their stock is hyrbridized.

also...cornsnakes are technically a type of ratsnake...the red ratsnake.
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Wow, I so knew that this was going to be a omg I feel so blond question. :p
I knew they were related but never actually stopped to find out HOW closely related.
 
This is my femal jungle corn. 50% cali king, 50% corn. Corn snakes can interbreed with many snakes include North American Rat Snakes, King Snakes, Milk Snakes, Bull Snakes, Pine Snakes, Gopher Snakes, and even some Old World Rat Snakes like the Japanese, Korean, and Beauties. And unlike many hybrids such as ligers and mules these hybrids are almost never sterile and can breed with either parent species, each other, and even other species. There have been hybrid snakes that have been bred well past the F5 generation and also I have seen snakes that are 3 way crosses and even 4 way crosses between several species(ex: king X milk X corn). You have to be responsible about them and always sell a hybrid for what it is no matter how pure it may look.
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That is one gorgious looking hybrid snake. o.o

Are their any possable genetic issues that come from this though?

Id love to see more pictures of peoples hybrid cornsnakes.
 
Hybrid snakes for the most part to not suffer genteicly. Although in F1 clutches there is a larger number house infertile eggs. However, the resulting offspring have something called hybrid vigor where they hatch larger, grow faster, have a stronger feeding response, and a stronge breeding drive.
You may get a bad response on here about hybrids however. I personally think hybrids are beautiful and are a unique part of the hobby, but a lot of people do not agree with them and believe they are unethical and unnatural(which is easily argued by the fact you could say the same thing about morphs). But the main reason many people don't like them is because they believe hybrids could ruin the hobby by being mismarked and ruin blood lines of pur animals but as long as your responsible about it it usually isn't a problem.
At the White Plains Expo last week they had a gorgous pair of corndurans (corn x horndurn milk snake) that were het. for snow. I almost bought them but unfortunately someone else took them before I could. Amazing hybrids though, picture a corn snake body and face with a honduran milk snakes pattern!
Their are a few forums out there that are devoted to entirely hybrids and it you ever went there you could see many hybrids from corn x kings to ball pythons x burms.
 
ZoologyGirl said:
cornsnake hybrids/integrades are very common. Most notably the corn x emory (creamsicles and root beers). Cinnamon is corn x great plains rat. Ethical breeders should state if their stock is hyrbridized. Another example is the 'jungle corn' which is a corn x cal king hybrid.

also...cornsnakes are technically a type of ratsnake...the red ratsnake.
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Cinnamon is a Hypo Corn x Emoryi (great plains) F2 result. Corn x Emoryi is a rootbeer.

dc
 
necromantica said:
By the way.....

while on the concept, if anyones looking to sell a female lavender cornsnake let me know....

I am doing some work online to get the money into my paypal and should be ready to purchase a snake around the 5th to 10th of next month.

So if your expecting a clutch or think you will still have some available babies or adults let me know!
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Take a look at this link "hybrid list"

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84261&highlight=hybrid

Oh and i should be having Lavender and hypo lavender babies hatch out as early as the 12th of this month.

Dusty Jones
 
Interesting conversation regarding the hybrid snakes. I tried a while ago to breed my Leucistic Texas Rat Snake with a Snow Corn and they would not even hook up. At least to my knowledge. This was last year. This year, I bred for straight up Leucistic Texas Rat Snakes with my male and female Leucies. As the hatch date approaches, I am starting to wonder about the whole sperm retention thing... Perhaps my Leucistic Female will provide me with a clutch of hybrids.

What do you call a cross between a Snow Corn and a Leucistic Texas Rat Snake? Does anyone know what that would look like, by any chance? Sorry... Not trying to hijack. Just curious. Thanks.

Rich
 
necromantica said:
By the way.....

while on the concept, if anyones looking to sell a female lavender cornsnake let me know....

I am doing some work online to get the money into my paypal and should be ready to purchase a snake around the 5th to 10th of next month.

So if your expecting a clutch or think you will still have some available babies or adults let me know!
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I have two or three '08 lavenders, still. I'll check sex, but I'm pretty sure there's at least one girl.
 
richm2778 said:
What do you call a cross between a Snow Corn and a Leucistic Texas Rat Snake? Does anyone know what that would look like, by any chance? Sorry... Not trying to hijack. Just curious. Thanks.

Rich
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I believe they would look like some combination of a normal corn and a normal texas rat. Probably like a very dark corn....or even a rusty black rat snake. You wouldn't get the leucism or the snow genes showing up til the f2 generation.
 
Thanks Drew. I am aware that they are both recessive traits; however I was unsure if they were closely related enough on the allele level to make any neat looking morphs or anything. Thanks for the input. Just for giggles, what would the f2 generation look like if they were bred to each other? I am not that good with the genetics stuff...I teach Social Studies! lol.
 
Well, assuming no hidden hets, you would expect to see leucistics, snows, aneries, amels and normals. They would all be hybrids, so the typical corn snake expressions of these genes wouldn't apply.....so who knows? :shrugs:
 
you could also get some pink eyed lecuy's(albino leucistics). However you wouldn't be able to tell if they where just albino leucistics or snow leucistics. Also if you had any anery leucistics you wouldn't know. the problem with mixing other morphs with the leucistic gene is the leucistics gene covers up any other morph present so it just looks like a normal leucistic(except for the pink eyed lecuy, it would have the eyes of an albino).
 
What do you call a cross between a Snow Corn and a Leucistic Texas Rat Snake
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Pearl Corns I believe.. The size difference in G Normous!


Regards... Tim of T and J
 
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