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Regurging and concerns about Crypto

Jenn_Tigercat

Jenn_Tigercat

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Ra has Regurged twice though he still seems hungry and wants to eat. Also his weight has gone from being 260 down to 219g. He is going to the vet today to get checked over as well as have another fecal done. He had one done last time and it came back clean. I am worried that he might have crypto. He has been separated from all of my other snakes and is being quarantined in a different room.

I know other people on here have had snakes with crypto and I know they were treating their snakes for it but can a snake survive with it and is there a protocol for a snake that has it. He seems ok when it comes to fuzzies and pinks but anything bigger and he just can't handle it.

I will let everyone know what the vet says when we get back. The appointment is for 10am.
 
The test you need to get done is a PCR test, or an immunofluorescense assay. It's done on a fecal, but sent to a lab. If that test is negative for crypto, the snake doesn't have it.

How have you treated the regurge?

Does his stomach feel or look swollen to you, and does he have a sharpness to his spine? A triangular cross-section?

Did the regurges occur just before, during, or just after the shed period?

I think you are right to be concerned, and I would get an _accurate_ test done to rule out crypto, and then go from there.

In the mean time, keep him well-isolated. Don't scrub his bowls with anything that you will use with your other snakes, or use any of the same equipment, or re-feed any mice he has refused.

Has he _ever_ been able to handle a weanling or small adult mouse, or has he always been stuck at fuzzies?
 
Nanci said:
The test you need to get done is a PCR test, or an immunofluorescense assay. It's done on a fecal, but sent to a lab. If that test is negative for crypto, the snake doesn't have it.

How have you treated the regurge?

Does his stomach feel or look swollen to you, and does he have a sharpness to his spine? A triangular cross-section?

Did the regurges occur just before, during, or just after the shed period?

I think you are right to be concerned, and I would get an _accurate_ test done to rule out crypto, and then go from there.

In the mean time, keep him well-isolated. Don't scrub his bowls with anything that you will use with your other snakes, or use any of the same equipment, or re-feed any mice he has refused.

Has he _ever_ been able to handle a weanling or small adult mouse, or has he always been stuck at fuzzies?
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I have treated the regurge by not feeding him for 10 days then putting him all the way back onto pinks. Letting him stay on that for a couple of months before moving him up in food.

The first time he regurged it was right before he shed but hadn't been fed for a week and there was still a lump in his mid section. This time not close to shedding or anything ate on thursday and regurged on sunday.

crypto test is being done and I should know the results from those within the week. He is isolated from all other reptiles and I have been keeping his tub, feeding tub, dishes and even have a special sponge that I use just for him.

No he hasn't always been on fuzzies. He was on hoppers before he regurged the first time.

The vet mentioned that it might be Inclusion Body Disease and that the only way to really test for that was through tissue samples. I have been reading up on it
 
IBD would be very unlikely in a Corn. As far as I can see (and granted I'm no expert) it's never been confirmed in a non-boid. Also, there are a raft of other symptoms that would indicate it - repeated regurges alone would in no way indicate IBD.

Have you had him tested for parasites? (Sorry if that's an out-of-date question - I haven't been following in detail).
 
Well, how often are you feeding him? I think at this point I would go to a five day feeding schedule, and maybe even four if he can handle the five day schedule for a month or so. I would go back to a big pink or small peach fuzzy and work back up from there. Have you used Nutribac after the first regurge? I would get that and use it on all meals for the next year. I would also probably cut the pinks/fuzzies in half, providing he will eat both halves (most snakes don't mind pieces) and then if he will only eat one piece, I would slit the sides and back of the pink/fuzzy about 6-8 slits on each side.
 
Him still being hungry sounds more like there might be a worm infestation going on. Anyway, he will just need tests for any type of parasite or bacteria that could cause this. And indeed, snakes with feeding problems need Nutribac!
 
bitsy said:
IBD would be very unlikely in a Corn. As far as I can see (and granted I'm no expert) it's never been confirmed in a non-boid. Also, there are a raft of other symptoms that would indicate it - repeated regurges alone would in no way indicate IBD.

Have you had him tested for parasites? (Sorry if that's an out-of-date question - I haven't been following in detail).
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Bitsy he has had four fecals done and all have come back negative for parasites.

Nanci said:
Well, how often are you feeding him? I think at this point I would go to a five day feeding schedule, and maybe even four if he can handle the five day schedule for a month or so. I would go back to a big pink or small peach fuzzy and work back up from there. Have you used Nutribac after the first regurge? I would get that and use it on all meals for the next year. I would also probably cut the pinks/fuzzies in half, providing he will eat both halves (most snakes don't mind pieces) and then if he will only eat one piece, I would slit the sides and back of the pink/fuzzy about 6-8 slits on each side.
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Nanci he was on a 5 day feeding schedule and continued to go down hill. I have used nutribac but to no avail as he regurged again this morning and I only fed him a small fuzzy. The fuzzy looked completely intact so it is like he isn't digesting it properly. His temps are 86 on the warm side and room temp on the cool though he has been spending a massive amount of time on his cool side.

After discussing things with the vet we have decided to euthanize him cause he has gone from being just under 300g to now being below 200g. A necropsy will be done and tissue samples will be sent out to the lab to be checked and see what was going on just in case he has something contagious. He has been completely isolated from my other reptiles and is in a completely different room.
 
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