Ron Paul should've been our next President...

[cohazard]

I selected these clips to show people what a true candidate for the presidential office should sound like.

Consistent on his standpoints, loads of integrity, true passion in his voice for the American people, not just savvy word choice and applause triggers to strategically win an election.

He has really well thought out ideas on how best to save our country from itself (namely to keep government out of your life), and answers questions with actual plans, not just telling Americans what they want to hear.

Sadly, he was laughed at and not given enough media attention. America doomed itself by not voting for Ron Paul, he was the only man who truly understands our economic problem, the true causes behind it, and recognizes how wrong it is to make the American people pay for wall street's bad gamble.

Ron Paul predicting the economic crisis back in March 2008, and explaining fundamental flaws in American government philosophy

This clip includes Ron Paul quotes, clips from interviews, and clips from the primary debates

 

[Kazarus]

I agree. Ron Paul is someone I could follow. Sadly, you're never going to see someone with integrity win an election as long as we have the party system where only people with extreme views get votes.

 

[cohazard]

You're right, when reading comments on articles posted on news websites, you'll see a lot of horrible reasons cited as to why that person is voting for McCain/Palin, or Obama.

Though I would prefer there be no more party system so that we are forced to listen closely to where a candidate stands, it's not necessary to change it if more voters would be responsible and not straight ticket vote, or vote for hype such as voting for Hillary or Palin just because they are women, or voting for Barack, just because of his ethnicity, or voting McCain just because he is a veteran who knows how to tug at heart strings.

It almost seems like laziness that people vote for one party or the other.

For example, I live in California. We almost always vote Democrat, and it's almost without doubt Barack will get our electoral votes, the problem is, did anyone stop to realize that Barack's version of 'change' means a change from republican politics as usual, to democrat politics as usual.

He has no solid strategy for bringing the troops home. He flip-flopped on an integral issue that the American people voted the democrats into power to take action on. He actually supported passing the $700 billion dollar bail out? Passing the consequences of wall streets gamble onto the american people? I could never lose $700 in a casino then ask the manager for my money back, at the expense of the kids and their parents hanging by the hotel pool that aren't even gambling. It's ludicrous!

McCain doesn't get any points either. He wants to keep troops out there. Somehow a 'surge' in troops equals success to him, when he is scared that pulling the troops would mean almost certain reversal back into violence for the area. That's not a winning strategy, that's like saying cough medicine cures your sickness... no, it covers the symptoms temporarily.

It would take a truly miraculous awakening to save us now. Everyone would have to refuse to accept both tickets as qualified for Presidential office, write in to Senator Paul, and donate to him and request kindly that he run for office under an independent or Libertarian ticket.

 

[Saffleur]

Snakes and Politics...As seemingly as they might look to mix...they don't.

We'll see come November.

 

[cohazard]

Snakes and Politics...As seemingly as they might look to mix...they don't.

We'll see come November.

General Chit-Chat Forum
Discussion about general topics that are really off topic concerning corn snakes, or just about any old chit at all.

I double checked the guidelines to posting on the site and didn't see anything along the lines of banning the discussion of politics, especially in the specifically off topic section.

I have seen other boards ban the discussion of politics, and I personally feel that is tragic. All of us here obviously love our reptiles, and a lot of us enjoy spending a lot of time haunting the board of our choice.

Naturally, we bring in other aspects of our lives important to us, that have nothing to do with reptiles, to share with others. Because of this there is always an off topic discussion area.

Here on CS.com there are many other threads in the GCC that do not pertain to snakes, and according to the rules and the description of what's appropriate to post in the GCC, there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Saffleur]

I was giving my personal opinion...I never said "anything" about the board guidelines...now did I?

 

[norm]

I liked Ron Paul as well. Of course, I'm a registered Libertarian, so that might explain it.

 

[ComoxCorn]

I prefer the way we here in canada have elections.......they called an election 4 weeks ago, and next week we go to the polls. I kind of get tired of all the US election coverage personally. Seems like it's been on TV forever. Heck..if we elect a minority government, we could have a second election by the time you guys go to the polls. LOL

 

[El Jefe]

I kind of get tired of all the US election coverage personally. Seems like it's been on TV forever.

Could not agree more!

 

[Ricky87]

Sorry, but if you don't like political posts, then why are you posting under them?. Also, I know some of you are sick of election coverage, but it seems like the only way to maintain it's importance to a majority of Americans is too drill in their heads all the way up to November. Otherwise we'll just start to get complacent, and by the time we vote most of us will have lost interest. Sad, but true.
Also, I'm not at all trying to knock your love of Ron Paul, because it shows you are really looking at other options, but their is a politician with integrity; His name is Barack Obama. Personally, I think people just don't like Barack, because their intimidated by him. We would rather elect a lovable jokester to office instead of a well spoken individual. You may not be a supporter of Barack Obama, but he does care about you, your family, and everyone you care about. Maybe not individually, but collectively his heart is with the people, and he will do more for you than any politician in American history. Also, look at who Ron Paul is supporting; Barack Obama. Please, everyone, do get out and vote regardless, and make sure your voice is heard. If your snakes could talk they would say "Vote Obama, because he'll put more tax money back in your pocket, which you can spend on me...hsssssss.....NOW CLEAN MY DAMN WATER DISH!!!.

 

[mike17l]

RON PAUL, RON PAUL, yeah.

Seriously who cares, he is history. Right now we have two options, Obama and McCain, thats it. Until a new party arises we will be a two party system. Until then we only have two options.

Besides, Paul messed up his chances at the first debate, he removed himself so far from the Republican base that he never had a chance. But who cares, that's history.

Oh yeah, go ******, and :fullauto: ****** can kiss my :nyah:

 

[mike17l]

Vote Obama, because he'll put more tax money back in your pocket, which you can spend on me

Please don't make a decision based only on money, that has put us where we are today. Look at all the issues a candidate stands for, not just how much your pocket book will grow.

 

[cohazard]

RON PAUL, RON PAUL, yeah.

Seriously who cares, he is history. Right now we have two options, Obama and McCain, thats it. Until a new party arises we will be a two party system. Until then we only have two options.

Besides, Paul messed up his chances at the first debate, he removed himself so far from the Republican base that he never had a chance. But who cares, that's history.

Oh yeah, go ******, and :fullauto: ****** can kiss my :nyah:

Well, I care, and in fact, a lot of other people care too.

We could have more than two options, we are at least a two party system, but we have room for other parties as well.

Think back to the race of '92' when there were three candidates, Ross Perot, Bill Clinton, and George Bush sr.

Ron Paul did not remove himself from the Republican base, the Republican base followed the neo-cons away from the Republican base values and politics.

Some of the most important lessons you could ever learn are, can be learned by analyzing history, so even thoug you don't, you should care.

For example, had the majority of American people not become complacent and accepted a 'who cares' attitude, we would've realized that we need to stay on top of our government at all times. Instead, we allowed special interests, lobbyists, and corporate America to take control.


Ricky87, it's not that I don't like Barack Obama. He and McCain both seem like good men, and Hillary and Palin are strong women. The problem I have with them is where they stand on issues. Never trust someone who wants power, they are the last person who should have it.

Ron Paul simply wanted office to hack away at the power of government, and restore true liberty to the people, and stick to what our constitution guarantees. Sadly, thanks to the 'who cares' attitude, we have lost so much more than we could hope to gain in this election.

 

[ghosthousecorns]

Not so much "who cares" but it's a "shoulda, coulda, woulda" scenario. Ron Paul won't be president even though I actually agree he would have been a good choice.
As far as political threads on the cornsnake forum they seem to get ugly and divisive usually. While they are not prohibited I have to agree politics and cornsnakes don't mix...

 

[mike17l]

Well, I care, and in fact, a lot of other people care too.

We could have more than two options, we are at least a two party system, but we have room for other parties as well.

Think back to the race of '92' when there were three candidates, Ross Perot, Bill Clinton, and George Bush sr.

Ron Paul did not remove himself from the Republican base, the Republican base followed the neo-cons away from the Republican base values and politics.

Some of the most important lessons you could ever learn are, can be learned by analyzing history, so even thoug you don't, you should care.

For example, had the majority of American people not become complacent and accepted a 'who cares' attitude, we would've realized that we need to stay on top of our government at all times. Instead, we allowed special interests, lobbyists, and corporate America to take control.


Ricky87, it's not that I don't like Barack Obama. He and McCain both seem like good men, and Hillary and Palin are strong women. The problem I have with them is where they stand on issues. Never trust someone who wants power, they are the last person who should have it.

Ron Paul simply wanted office to hack away at the power of government, and restore true liberty to the people, and stick to what our constitution guarantees. Sadly, thanks to the 'who cares' attitude, we have lost so much more than we could hope to gain in this election.

Its not a who cares attitude about the election, it is a who cares attitude about Ron Paul. We will never know what he would have done and can not speculate, we will never know. About Ron Paul - this year, Who Cares - no one.

 

[98xjsport]

The biggest problem is we are forced to vote on career politicians...

 

[Ricky87]

My money statement was more sarcastic, and was supposed to be humorously put from the perspective of your pets, though I understand where your coming from. Like it or not, though, money is important. If education is your most important issue, than money is needed to build/rebuild schools. If global warming is your most important issue, than money is needed to create more effective energy solutions, and if homeland security is your most important issue, than money is needed to reinforce our defenses. Not to mention the millions of people who are un-employed, because of the financial crisis we are in. Just saying!.
Also, as far as saying people who want power shouldn't be trusted, that's only true if the person in question can not be responsible with the power they are given. Barack Obama can be trusted more than anyone really knows. I have a hunch Barack Obama isn't running for president for personal gain. He's a Harvard graduate who could have way more personal freedom from becoming a lawyer and just living off of his riches. His choice to run for president is nothing less than selfless, and his past year's, and future 4 years, spent trying to solve a mess that George W. Bush left behind. Maybe becoming President was glorious in 2000 when the government was stable, and we actually had money to put into something other than war and an AIG bailout, but now becoming president means taking on the burden of a man who compares the financial crisis to a deck of cards. Also, if you don't trust Obama, that's your choice, but I know his heart is pure, unlike John "I blink after everytime I field a damn question" McCain. Also, I've said this before, but John McCain is a stroke away from living off Jello and Cribbage, and would cough the country up to a very unworthy VP in Sarah Palin. She considers herself as having foreign affairs experience, just because you can see Russia from Alaska. My question to her is "If you can see so well, why do you need glasses, and how come you can't see McCain for the fraud he is?". That's all I have to say, and if you think McCain is a war hero, than read this. It should prove to you what he would do to save his own ass!. http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_mccain_lost_five_u.htm

 

[cohazard]

Its not a who cares attitude about the election, it is a who cares attitude about Ron Paul. We will never know what he would have done and can not speculate, we will never know. About Ron Paul - this year, Who Cares - no one.

We can know what he would've done because he said all along consistently what he planned to do and avoided speaking in generalities, contrasting with the flip flops that are up for election right now, or the true uncertainty of Sara Palin.

My point with bringing up this discussion is not so much that we need to vote him into office now because that's obviously not going to happen, but rather to dsicuss with fellow voters the importance or recognizing our mistake, and why he truly would've been a great president. That's why taking a 'who cares' attitude is so dangerous, it means to neglect learning from history, part of the reason our country is in such a mess.

So yes I will always care, and it is not just me that does, and it is not just you that doesn't.

 

[WaterRaven]

Comoxcorn, I could not agree with you more! I live in Canada as well

And Ricky, I use to live in the states and I see what you mean. People need to vote more and the media is like "VOTE VOTE VOTE SCANDAL VOTE VOTE"

And it's good to see someone who cares so much

 

[michael couture]

if more voters would be responsible and not straight ticket vote, or vote for hype such as voting for Hillary or Palin just because they are women, or voting for Barack, just because of his ethnicity, or voting McCain just because he is a veteran who knows how to tug at heart strings.

I hate to cut your post, by quoting just a portion. But I hate the notion going around that people are voting Obama based on his race. There has been black politicians long before the 08' election, and EVERY single one of our presidents are white men.
I think it's borlined racist (not of you specifically), to tag Obama as some trendy black president rockstar. Noone voted Jesse Jackson in the 80's, or Al Sharpton in 2000 because they are black, so how is it all of the sudden "hype" based on "ethnicity". Barack Obama is an incredible person, and he has the intelligence and charisma we NEED to change this mess. That's why he is doing so well, it's not because of anything other than his mind.
But I do respect you going outside the box and defending Ron Paul, I do like some of his ideas, and he would make a great candidate for the republicans.