...sigh! Fat Boy? or Gravid Gal?

[sierraherps]

I have a Charcoal that was given to me as a "male" that would not eat. I got it home, thawed a pink, tossed it in the little guy's cup and presto he ate. I offered to bring the animal back to the owner because obviously it ate just fine but he didn't want it. So 3 years later having never bother to sex it because I wasn't using it in any breeding projects she lays eggs. Eleven large infertile eggs. Man I was bent! All that wasted effort on her part. Given her determination to reproduce I'll breed her this year. I've also had females produce fertile eggs having not been bred since a fall hook-up. That's easily 8 month old sperm! Like I said before, they don't all follow the rules.
Terri

OMG!! SO you are saying... female snakes are like birds?? I raised birds for years and the females of many species will lay eggs having NEVER been with a male... So, if that is true, and IF Whyte IS female... And we know at least 4 - 5 yrs old... Wouldn't she have laid blank clutches before now? Or is it just the stimulation of smelling other snakes in the air that may have gotten her going? Well.............. Sounds like I better give her and our ONLY male more time together??? Just to make sure? I mean seriously... OVER 1/3 more like her BOTTOM HALF is HUGE!!! Do blank eggs get that big? And when does it become a bad IDEA for them to be togeather, as far as... Will she lay with him there? Will he eat the eggs if we dont catch him in time? ......
...................sigh! :awcrap:
Now I am back to "What do I do now?!?!" lmao!!!
So I repeat (with a smile) AAAHHHHRRRRGGG!!!! lol
......and help?

 

[Silvergrin]

I have a Charcoal that was given to me as a "male" that would not eat. I got it home, thawed a pink, tossed it in the little guy's cup and presto he ate. I offered to bring the animal back to the owner because obviously it ate just fine but he didn't want it. So 3 years later having never bother to sex it because I wasn't using it in any breeding projects she lays eggs. Eleven large infertile eggs. Man I was bent! All that wasted effort on her part. Given her determination to reproduce I'll breed her this year. I've also had females produce fertile eggs having not been bred since a fall hook-up. That's easily 8 month old sperm! Like I said before, they don't all follow the rules.
Terri

Interesting! In my own experience, for one reason or another I never seem to breed girls until they're 4 years old, and so far none of them have thrown me a "virgin clutch" yet XD I figured it might be possible though, good to know!

 

[Silvergrin]

OMG!! SO you are saying... female snakes are like birds?? I raised birds for years and the females of many species will lay eggs having NEVER been with a male... So, if that is true, and IF Whyte IS female... And we know at least 4 - 5 yrs old... Wouldn't she have laid blank clutches before now? Or is it just the stimulation of smelling other snakes in the air that may have gotten her going? Well.............. Sounds like I better give her and our ONLY male more time together??? Just to make sure? I mean seriously... OVER 1/3 more like her BOTTOM HALF is HUGE!!! Do blank eggs get that big? And when does it become a bad IDEA for them to be togeather, as far as... Will she lay with him there? Will he eat the eggs if we dont catch him in time? ......
...................sigh! :awcrap:
Now I am back to "What do I do now?!?!" lmao!!!
So I repeat (with a smile) AAAHHHHRRRRGGG!!!! lol
......and help?

I suppose it's possible she could be ovulating... but if she's not eating, probably too late to put her with a male! You could always check if there's (mutal) interest, t hough.

 

[sierraherps]

Yep.. Compared to how "She" acted towards the male -vs- another female... She is DEFFINETLY more interested in the male!! With the female, she twitched when touched, but spent her whole time with head in the corner, or running away from the contact! LOL

At this point, I think from what you all have said... I will give her a couple visits with our male over the next couple days, but not leave him with her, keep her "egg laying box" ready... And HOPE LIKE CRAZY!!!!

You know, this "patience" thing is becomming a ROYALE PAIN IN THE....AZZ!
:crazy01: LMAO!!!!

I will update this thread as needed.. And keep checking for any new posts... I just ask EVERYONE out there to PLEASE send POSSITIVE PREGO VIBES in my WHYTSNAKES DIRECTION!!! LOL And much Love to YOU ALL for this and the MANY other things I am SURE I will be asking you in the future!
What can I say....
I LOVE YA MAN!! (and WOMAN!) :cheers:

 

[bekers71]

If you feel bumps like marbles then she is probably a pregnant she. This has probably been asked some where already and I missed it, but when did the snake shed last? And IMO I'd stop putting the male with her. At this point and time it's best to just put a lid on the lay box and leave her alone.

 

[RobbiesCornField]

Here's a photo of my girl last year when she was gravid.

That was about a month before her pre-lay shed.

IMO, you've got a heavy female on your hands. Won't be too long before you look in the lay box and see this!

 

[sierraherps]

Well thanks bunches to everyone!!! Even my Hubby is now CONVINCED "HE" is a "SHE"! And no worries about not putting the Upper Keys male back in... Just noticed last night he is gettin ready to shed... So gonna leave him to it, (no wonder he's been grumpy-feeling guilty for not noticing sooner actually!)
And now that he is our ONLY male... He needs to be in shape! LOL 2 more "proven" females waiting for his attention! (We bought 2 females and one male in Jan, back when we thought Whytsnake was a male...OOPS!)

Sooo... all that's left for me to do now is "WAIT AND HOPE" and ......NOT GO BONKERS IN THE MEANTIME! lmao! Although, our one female "Katchy" pretty much keeps me busy right now... Trying to keep her from knocking herself out on the top and sides of her viv... WOW! Who would have ever thought something as "cool" as reptiles, could exibit such neurotic behavior! Well, ok, you PRO's YEAH! lol But me?? The Newby? Nope! LOL But I'ma Learnin! LOL

 

[sierraherps]

Opps... Forgot the "Rest" of the Up-Date... For those watching this saga play out along with me... Whytsnake has "Retired" into the "Laying Box" entirely! First time she has put her WHOLE body in... And she has not come out for about an hour now...!!!!!

THIS IS SO EXCITING I COULD JUST SCREAM! ! ! ! lmao.... But I am attempting to keep my head... As I know... It could still not be time yet...

........................BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT IS! LOL

 

[dizeedoo]

Ms. Whytsnake must be very happy you noticed her bumps - how adorable that she is now retreat to her laying box. The rest is up to nature now. I'm just so envious. I've read all these did they / didn't they get it on posts and you guys are blissfully looking the other way so to speak and Ms. Whytsnake is just taking care of business.

LOL... your only boy has some work ahead of him I wonder if that's considered a good deal in snake kingdom... beautiful ladies everywhere he looks.

haha. this is one helluva funny story.

 

[sierraherps]

Well... I started to loose hope when SHe came out of the laying box, and then got worried because her last 1/4 was not looking as rounded... BUT THEN! Good Ol' Dale posted the JELLO BUTT link, and "I'm MUCH BETTER NOW!" LMAO!

Everything appears as it should be.... sigh! Now... I am wondering if I should go borrow a heating pad from the neighbor, just in case she DOES lay... That would keep the warmth up until Sean gets home and can set up the incubator.... Right??? (she asked squeemishly!)

 

[jazzgeek]

Opps... Forgot the "Rest" of the Up-Date... For those watching this saga play out along with me... Whytsnake has "Retired" into the "Laying Box" entirely! First time she has put her WHOLE body in... And she has not come out for about an hour now...!!!!!

THIS IS SO EXCITING I COULD JUST SCREAM! ! ! ! lmao.... But I am attempting to keep my head... As I know... It could still not be time yet...

........................BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT IS! LOL

Well... I started to loose hope when SHe came out of the laying box, and then got worried because her last 1/4 was not looking as rounded... BUT THEN! Good Ol' Dale posted the JELLO BUTT link, and "I'm MUCH BETTER NOW!" LMAO!

Everything appears as it should be.... sigh! Now... I am wondering if I should go borrow a heating pad from the neighbor, just in case she DOES lay... That would keep the warmth up until Sean gets home and can set up the incubator.... Right??? (she asked squeemishly!)

I wouldn't wait up in order to watch her lay eggs! I've had females spend up to three weeks in the lay box (mind you, I put it in LONG before their pre-lay shed), simply out of comfort.

And for whatever MY opinion is worth, I don't think you'll need to add a heat source specifically for the lay box, either. I use 41 quart Sterilites for my adults - long enough to place the lay box in between the warm and cool hide boxes - and they've had no problem camping out there for as long as they did.

Keep us posted!

Dale

 

[sierraherps]

Thank You Dale.... Guess I can turn off the coffee pot now! :headbang: LOL And stop boiling the water huh!? oke::awcrap: lmao!

You guys here are so great!!! :bowdown:

Double Thankx To Dale!

 

[jazzgeek]

Thank You Dale.... Guess I can turn off the coffee pot now! :headbang: LOL And stop boiling the water huh!? oke::awcrap: lmao!

You guys here are so great!!! :bowdown:

Double Thankx To Dale!

Oh, don't worry. The REAL fun and headbanging begins when the eggs are "on the ground". It'll be the SLOWEST two months of your life! You'll be checking on them at least FOUR times daily, and when it's close to pipping time, find an area rug/runner that you can pace on....it'll save you LOTS in replacing the carpet. :grin01:

Don't say I didn't warn you!


Dale

 

[bekers71]

Oh, don't worry. The REAL fun and headbanging begins when the eggs are "on the ground". It'll be the SLOWEST two months of your life! You'll be checking on them at least FOUR times daily, and when it's close to pipping time, find an area rug/runner that you can pace on....it'll save you LOTS in replacing the carpet. :grin01:

Don't say I didn't warn you!


Dale

That is soooo true! Then when the first nose pokes out it gets even worse. You will look and see one then get excited. Then the baby will tease you by coming part way out then go back in. And they can do this for days. You will be wearing the little white coat before it's over.

 

[dizeedoo]

You will look and see one then get excited. Then the baby will tease you by coming part way out then go back in. And they can do this for days.

This made me laugh out loud (excuse the LOL) but crikey. I am so glad you said that, becasue I know if I were watching pippies pip and pop back in I'd be like what on earth is wrong? hahahaha

hahaha.. am I alone in thinking that's too adorable for words.

 

[sierraherps]

:-offtopic... well Sorta...

I FINALLY SAW SNAKES SCHMUCKIN!!! WOOOHOOO! ! !
lmao No kidding, BLEW MY MIND COMPLETELY! We put our Little Upper Keys Fem in with "OUR NOW ONLY MALE" OB1 so we could clean her cage... OB's fully in the blue! His entire body is a ruddy pink, and eyes blind as can be...... And Lil'Momma, just got her color back, should shed ANY MINUTE basically...

NEXT THING I KNOW....

I hear this sound that reminded me instantly of my early 20's, deck handing for a puker out of Newport Oregon during Halibut season.....

"ZZZZZzzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZZZzzzzz" ( the sound the fishing line makes as a fish hits your bait and RUNS LIKE CRAZY and the whole boat yells "FISH ON"!

IT WAS THAT POOR BLIND OB and his 3 yr mate, Lil Momma!! (We bought the pair as a "Proven Breeding Pair" back in Dec) That tiny female, was FLYING through the VIV like her butt was on fire and OB was Surfing her like a torrant wave at Malibu!!!

WOW!!! O M G ! ! ! THAT WAS SOOOO COOL!!! And HEY EVERYBODY,

NOW... I REALLY KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!" lmao!!! Yeeeaaa HAaaaa

"EGGS ON!"... I know I know... EVENTUALLY! But at least I SAW THIS ONE HAPPEN!!! I KNOW THEY DID IT!! and as soon as they shed, we are putting them back together!!!!
And now...

............................. on the continuing "Ms. Whytsnake" Saga...

Sean and I went today and got her better heating for under her "laying box" and everything we will need for incubation for "If & When" she lays eggs from that DAILY EXPANDING BELLY of hers!!! Another 10 gal. tank, another heating pad, vermiculite.. deep dish plastic boxes, ect!!
We also picked up more stuff I needed to continue my new side-line... I am "Making" my own hides and climbs and stuff like that... I have always been a bit crafty... (As in "Creative with Crafts!"... not the OTHER kind of "Crafty!"... well ok, not anymore anyways!! LOL) When I have a few more done I will take post some pics if they don't look to "Kindergartedn". Sean figured it might help me "pass the hours, days, weeks..... sigh!" or how ever long it could be before I SEE EGGS laid... And then of course... As you all have said... We will go rug shopping so I can make it to NOSES POKING OUT, with out finding myself with a suddenly "BARE FLOOR" in need of carpeting!

Well that's it for now... time to go read all the happy news from all of you and quitely ENVY you while at the same time... feeling your excitment & pride!

BUT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS FROM HERE ON OUT!....

I SAW SNAKES SCHMUCKIN!!!!!!!
:cheers:

 

[jazzgeek]

Sheesh, Mary Ann!

Here's a tip:

Next time, to try to keep the reader interested, you just may want to add some vivid imagery, and be more enthusiastic.

K?


:grin01:


Dale

 

[sierraherps]

Sheesh, Mary Ann!

Here's a tip:

Next time, to try to keep the reader interested, you just may want to add some vivid imagery, and be more enthusiastic.

K?


:grin01:


Dale

Yepperz Dale, your right, I really must work on my "Beating around the bush" communications... I shall try to post with more clarity and even fiegn excitement when appropriate! I PROMISE to try harder from now on :crazy02:!!

ROTFFLMFAO!!! :roflmao:

Hey Dale?? YOU ROCK!! I like you!! What are your hets? :nyah: LOL

Mary Ann

 

[dizeedoo]

hahahahaha..... that's heck funny.

so in your 20's you were a deckie and in my 20's we were chartering game boats so I could live my fantasy of big game hunter so the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I remember all to well - thanks for the memories.

lol.

 

[sierraherps]

hahahahaha..... that's heck funny.

so in your 20's you were a deckie and in my 20's we were chartering game boats so I could live my fantasy of big game hunter so the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I remember all to well - thanks for the memories.

lol.

HAHAHHA!! You betchya Di! I aim to please! LOL For more than half of my 20's decade, I too was living out a fantasy... I toured as lead singer/songwriter/musician/manager of the Top 40/Originals Band "FASTLANE"!

Which as it turns out? In the begining, is a lot more like deck hand work than people know! Going from bar to bar... smooshing people with lots of money, hoping they will part with a decent amount of that money by giving it to you for the work you do, you see people at both their best & their worst & meet different people everyday, and... it seems there is nearly ALWAYS puke invloved! LMAO! Only the Dress code & smells seems to really differ between those two jobs!! LMAO!