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snake acting like its dying

skimpy said:
thermostat is the ONLY thing i dont have...everything else is perfect.

To be completely honest... if you didn't have a thermostat and thus were using an unregulated heat source, it doesn't matter how nice the hides are or what substrate you used... your setup was nowhere near ideal let alone perfect. I've seen some horrendous photos of burns resulting from unregulated heat mats.

A snake will be perfectly fine in an escape-proof ventilated plastic tub with a bowl of water and a hide, on top of paper towels ... as long as the heating equipment is both adequate and regulated.

I'd advise not waiting until you get paid to get that thermostat - even if you pick one up cheap on eBay or something. It's not an optional bit of kit - it's an essential, as important as the heat mat or the actual container itself.
 
Ssthisto said:
To be completely honest... if you didn't have a thermostat and thus were using an unregulated heat source, it doesn't matter how nice the hides are or what substrate you used... your setup was nowhere near ideal let alone perfect. I've seen some horrendous photos of burns resulting from unregulated heat mats.

A snake will be perfectly fine in an escape-proof ventilated plastic tub with a bowl of water and a hide, on top of paper towels ... as long as the heating equipment is both adequate and regulated.

I'd advise not waiting until you get paid to get that thermostat - even if you pick one up cheap on eBay or something. It's not an optional bit of kit - it's an essential, as important as the heat mat or the actual container itself.

I do not use thermostats on any of my snakes, and they cannot be cooked! How come? Cause I use bulbs that CANNOT generate too much heat. Simple, isn't it? Just to point out that one could do without thermostats... Sometimes I put tubs with hatchlings or young snakes on heat mats, but with a washing cloth or newspaper between UTH and tub to control the warmth inside the tub. With a little trial and eroor before putting in a snake, that works too... so outting newspaper between UTH and viv could also work, so a thermostat is not necessary... To be honest, when using a UTH with thermostat, I would be really anxious about the thermostat failing 1 day, which allows my snakes to be cooked... I prefer to only have the risk of electricity failure, causing my snakes to have a chilly day... they will always survive room temps in my house, even in midst winter :rolleyes:

Little disadvantage is that I have to change bulbs now and then, with high temp fluctuations outside, but opening and closing doors or windows do a big part of the job. I do plan on buying some dimmers in the future though so I won't have to change bulbs anymore....
 
The "light bulb" issue is that it doesn't heat the substrate as well and a UTH would. It also lowers the humidity. I use a heat lamp and a UTH (controlled by a rheostat; no thermostat). The mat is on the "warm" side, and the lamp helps keep my "cool" side the correct temperature. Strange, I know, but my snakes are in the basement, and it gets very cold down here in the winter, so the lamp keeps the cool side at about 70F. In the summer time, the humidity in my neck of the woods is very high, and the heat lamp is perfect to lower the humidity in the tank (which is at 70% + without the lamp).

To each, his own.
 
I know these disadvantages, but my snakes seem to do well. I always provide climbing material so they can get higher up to a warmer zone. In the cooler periods I use reflector bulbs, which do warm the bedding too in the spot it is shining on.

I must say that most of my vivs are from wood and combined in towers, like lots of people have over here, and that keeps warmth in for each viv. Most of them have a floor 'heating' device in a way :smile: I have 2 stand alone glass vivs and they are harder to keep warm. I use reflector bulbs to provide warm spots in them and that seems to work.

Maybe I am just too worried about thermo- or rheo's malfunction, and the UTH with thermostat works better, but I just wanted to state UTH's are not necessarily the most important to buy. I think using lamps is also a more Dutch (European?) way of keeping snakes, like using vivs instead of racks with tubs (and co-habbing, :grin:).
 
Odd

I just replied to Skimpy's new member post before seeing this thread. In the other one, Skimpy, you talk about the snake having a surgery due to a prolapse. Strangely I saw no mention of that rather important element in this thread. Whats up with that?
 
skimpy said:
the rescue centre said it was alright to put them together. i now know that i cant do this.

im not implying i am the perfect snake keeper, but there are worse out there. at least i care what has happened. the snake was sick, probably before i got it. he may not have survived long, but at least he did survive, for a while at least. being operated on at three months it is amazing that he lived to be 5 mths.
here's the operation!
 
Wow, ok I missed that. :bang: Still seems like a pretty big thing to be barely mentioned :shrugs:
 
I'm probably going to get abused by 'skimpy' but I'd love to visit this 'rescue centre' and find out what vetting they do and what advice they give. Following the description of the corn as it was dying, I have my doubts about the reality of it all, I'm not saying I can definately smell troll but if one of my animals was dying I personally couldn't give a description of the process on here.
 
:-offtopic I agree with Blutengel, our leopard gecko is in a wooden viv, I've got 15 and 25 watt bulbs plus a rheostat and get good control over the temperature by switching the bulbs. My place stays at a pretty constant ambient temperature, the heating goes on low but constant all winter, and I also would be too worried about a thermostat failing to have a mat inside her viv
 
I am still waiting for a more in depth explanation as to why this baby snake was "neutered" (see other thread) :sidestep: if in fact it had an operation at all. I am in no way trying to be mean. Just a wee bit confused. Perhaps this "vetting" rescue center lied to her. I was under the impression that operating on snakes was a pretty risky and costly endeavour especially on a hatchling. This is either a very well meaning rescue center or a well financed one. Do let me know if I am way off base here.
 
The "operation" was only mentioned in passing and not until quite a few posts later, after a bunch of people had hazarded guesses and been chastised for daring to mention that it might have been the completely unregulated and unmonitored heat source.
 
the rescue centre told me that milton was operated on due to a susoected prolapse. if they didnt operate, he would have died. he was 3mths. they looked after him until they saw fit to rehome him, as he seemed to pull through the op ok. strangely, when i took him to the vet to enquire about a post mortem, the vet couldnt see any scars from being operated on, said all that could have been done was that..rather crudely put..his willy had been chopped off...or willies. that is all i know on the matter. no i didnt mention it, because it didnt seem like a part of what killed him. as i mentioned previously, the vet thought it was his gall bladder, or an obstruction, but the lab for doing post mortems was closed for the weekend by the time i got there. i have kept him in the freezer, in the hope that they may still be able to find out wtf happened to him.

more than that, i cannot tell you, coz i dont know. sorry.

as for the question of whether the resue centre exists...i can assure you it does. in my neck of the woods, the highlands, there are no places selling reptiles, since the Merkinch shut down in '04. it is the only one i know of in the area. they looked after milton until they thought he had adequatelypulled through the ordeal. perhaps they were wrong. the owner, as it goes, feels pretty bad about the whole thing.
 
the vet couldnt see any scars from being operated on

A prolapse is usually pretty straightforward and doesn't require cut-and-stitch type surgery to replace. It's usually just (to put it crudely) gently shoved back in. It would only be removed if the prolapse had been neglected and the prolapsed part had become necrotic. Even then, I wouldn't expect to see any external signs of surgery. It's a concern that the vet you consulted was expecting evidence of a surgical procedure.

Also, the gall bladder in Corns always becomes visible after death. I don't know the medical term, but I think this may be the earliest stage of decomposition. Again, worrying that your vet saw it as a possible contribution to death, rather than an expected result of it.

I don't mean any disrespect, but from what you've reported of his comments, it sounds like he may be a little inexperienced with reptiles?

As a general comment, I can't imagine how a prolapse could have resulted in death, unless some kind of systemic infection had set in. I think that would be quite rare. Maybe the post mortem will be able to tell.

i have kept him in the freezer, in the hope that they may still be able to find out wtf happened to him

I'm afraid that putting the snake's body in the freezer will have destroyed evidence. Freezing causes cellular breakdown and any post portem after defrosting would find more internal organ damage caused by the freezing/defrosting process, than by any illness or injury. This is likely to mask the true cause of death. Cooling in the fridge would have been better. Sorry you were poorly advised on this point.
 
Thank you for your detailed response. The vet I took Milton to has kept reptiles, particularly snakes, for years. he had said he expected to see a scar because the snake equivalent of testes (dont know vet terminology) would require a surgical incision to remove, rather than just the bits that were gone. the dark patch where the gall bladder was situated caused him concern because it was swollen, and the snake was dead no more than an hour. however i accept that decompopsition perhaps was responsible for this.

he was knowledgable on the subject and i trust him. i have registered Big Al with him for any future treatment he may require. if it turns out i am wrong on this, im pretty stuffed, coz there are only three vets in the area catering for reptiles. ive been advised against one, for questionable treatment on an iguana, and the other two are at the same practise, where i took milton.

I was not told to freeze him and try for a post mortem today. the vet implied that i''d missed the boat in that respect, so it is only my fault that any evidence has been destroyed, since i was concerned that cause of death was not confirmed. however, it seems that, at the moment, Big Al is not displaying any symptoms of illness. he fed on Saturday with no problems. Milton refused to feed at first, then two days later he died.

Ultimately, anyone can suppose on what happened to milton, but it is not going to be definitive. a range of possibilities have been discussed and as a result, i know a lot more than i did, and for that, i am thankful. let's just hope that it was an isolated incident, in a snake whose full background was not known to me or the rescue centre. what was known is that he had health problems, which cannot be disregarded as a contributing factor in his death.

Thanks again for your detailed response, i have learned a lot. now i can go and bury him and close this incident.

i am not going to give up on snakes. i felt like finding a home for Al over the weekend after this thread gathered pace, however im confident that i can give him a good home, despite what some people on this forum think of my ability. i know all posts here were constructive, and i have taken stock of them and reflected on them. if i were any of you looking in on my situation, i would ask the same questions....perhaps with more tact, but i would be thinking similarly. Thanks again to ALL contributers. :wavey:
 
Lennycorn said:
Sorry to hear about your snake. I would think that more education is needed for proper husbandry. As you know you shouldn't cohabited and use a thermostat but... Do you feed you snake is a separate container??. You stated that he could of been impacted.
Here is a few links to read up on too.

Good luck to you and you other snake

Search
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38853

Husbandry and such
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28341
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28342
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17224
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sh...?p=133428#post6
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28343
http://www.herpvetconnection.com/
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17939&highlight=jello+butt

Free Herp Software
http://www.serpwidgets.com/Apps/apps.html
http://www.proherp.com/
http://www.cornsnakes.nl/
http://home.comcast.net/~spencer62/cornprog.html

Setup
http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/t.../bltanksize.htm
http://www.mgreptiles.com/VIROSAN.html
http://www.anapsid.org/blacklight.html
http://arbreptiles.com/cages/flexwire.shtml
http://www.arbreptiles.com/cages/tips.shtml
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19168

Miscellaneous
http://www.alysion.org/euthanasia/
http://www.moreptiles.com/cornsnake-lifecycle.htm

Cohabitation
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17308
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31192

On-line frozen mice suppliers
http://www.themousefactory.com/
http://cajunmice.com/
http://www.rodentpro.com/index.asp
http://www.bigcheeserodents.com/htt...m/htm/mice.html
http://peticebox.com/
http://www.exotic-pets.co.uk/frozen-mice.html for the UK

Thanks very much for this. i always fed them separately, never together. i will spend this free afternoon trawling through this lot. off sick this week, four impacted wisdom teeth removed, so not feeling too sprightly. week after extractions, still feel like it wasnt worth having the op. ah, tomorrow is another day!

seriously, cheers for this. i need all the help i can get. my foundational knowledge is ok, but i need more. :cheers:
 
This thread (aside from the violence) is very interesting to me. I just posted a thread as my snake is acting very similar to what was diescribed, he has been very healthy active and feeding up till last ngith adn now he just loks really listless staring off to know where, barely moving at all I actually thought he died last night but this morning he was in a different place. my temps are regulated at 87 on the warm and 74 on the cool side. I certainly hope he doesn't have a blackage but he will be visiting the vet.
 
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