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Snowsicle and Snowglow morphs

RavenSpirit360

RavenSpirit360

Mitakuye Oyasin
Hi Everyone, I recently aquired what was labeled a Snowglow corn. But upon researching online I could only find one picture of a corn hatchling that looked just like it and it was labeled a Snowsicle. It looked exactly like my hatchling, and I have learned that this was the same breeder of the one I got. It was a listing of a snake created by Ben Siegal, listed on the unusual albino website. I am wondering if any of you know anything about Snowglows or Snowsicle corns. Like what they are bred from and what would be the best match for one.. Of all the research I have done I am thinking Snow corn, but I do not know for sure.. I have emailed Ben Siegal off of his website a few times but have had no response yet..
 
From the names, Snowsicles are Snows mixed with Creamsicles, and Snowglows are Snows mixed with Sunglows. I haven't heard of either of them before...pictures might help... :shrugs:
 
That is what I was guessing by the names, but im not sure which one it is.. It was labeled snowglow, but looks exactly like the hatchlings in the link I am sending.. And they are labeled Snowcicles. I tried taking a pic today as its color has darkened a bit but my camera is not good with detail close up..
Here is the link... http://images.ask.com/pictures?qsrc=1&o=333&l=dir&q=snowsicle

If the link doesnt work, just go to ask.com and type in snowsicle and its the 1st picture. I am thinking that the snake in that picture is the snake I have becuase that was the breeder and I compared the head patterns and they are identical.. It has gotten darker now.. Where the saddles used to lack color they are now a frosted peach color.
 
I will be posting a pic of him soon. My camera sucks at taking close up well detailed pics so my neighbor took them for me and I'm just waiting on him to get back from his vacation and send them to me. I wish I had a pic of him when I got him.. He was so crazy looking. He looked like an upside down snake honestly.
I came here to try to find out more info since the breeder of him hasnt answered my emails. Its been like a month. So I resent my email to him tonight and hope hell respond.. **SIGHS**
 
It is likely that snowsicle is being used for snows that arise from breedings between snow corn lines and creamsicles and the appearance will vary a lot depending on the amount of emoryi in the creamsicle component and the background of the corn lines that it comes from.

This is an example of a snow produced from a breeding of a creamsicle and a corn - very much like a snow corn.
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If this is what you have, it might be a good idea to keep your breedings within creamsicle lines because those involved in breeding 'pure' corns tend to prefer to keep creamsicle lines separate from 'pure' corns and ensure that all creamsicle lines are identified as hybrid because of their origins with crosses between corns and great plains ratsnakes (emoryi).

A photo would help because there are some lines of amelanistic corns that start out with very white background color that then develops into reds as they mature. Just be aware that you will not be able to be sure about whether any snake has creamsicle background based on appearance alone.

look forward to seeing photos,


mary v.
 
Here is a link to a pic that looks exactly like what it looked like when I first got it..
http://images.ask.com/pictures?qsrc=1&o=333&l=dir&q=snowsicle

I was thinking too that it might be the product of a snowglow or creamsicle with a snow. BUt I wont know for sure I guess unless I talk to the breeder. I do have a pic, but its a bad picture, of what he he looks like now.. I will have a better pic in a few days.

It did look just like a snow but it had some color in the first few circles by its head. and it had a peach color in its stripes on the sides.. It literally looked like it was upside down lol.

I have him paired with a little pink snow female, and if it turns out to be a hybrid I will definately always label the babies as hybrids..

Here is the bad pic of him
 
Hi everyone, is there a better way to load pictures onto here.. I am having a bit of trouble.. It keeps telling me its to big and I keep making it smaller and the size requirements get smaller also...
 
create a photobucket.com account, its free. Upload your photos there and then just link them in the post. I'd love to see what your corn looks like sounds very neat.

@vanderkm or who ever might know. Is snowsicle a proper name for a snow produced from a creamsicle? Its possible I might produce a snow in the future with a cream and I would like to make sure the name reflects the fact it comes from a cream line.
 
OK here is a link to my snake pics.. I went outside and took some better ones, so you can actually see the snakes detail a little better. But I will still repost the professional pics when I get them from my neighbor..

Here is the link... You can look through the whole album, they are all of the snake in question except for the last one, whish is my daughters ball python..

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/talise_aiyana/album?.dir=/69ecscd

PLease let me know your ideas on what he is.. I am thinking creamsicle, but I'm not for sure.. I am pretty positive hes not a normal amel because he is very peachy. And I have compared him to alot of amel hatchling pics and he looks different.. If only the breeder would email me back :(
 
Hmm...I'm probably wrong (I'm not very good with morphs yet), but to me it looks like an opal... :shrugs: As I said, don't hold anything to that, it's pretty well guarranteed to be wrong. Still, always good to give your opinion, you learn more from mistakes... ;)
 
waldo said:
create a photobucket.com account, its free. Upload your photos there and then just link them in the post. I'd love to see what your corn looks like sounds very neat.

@vanderkm or who ever might know. Is snowsicle a proper name for a snow produced from a creamsicle? Its possible I might produce a snow in the future with a cream and I would like to make sure the name reflects the fact it comes from a cream line.
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As far as I know there is no established name for snows that arise from creamsicle breedings - there just haven't been enough produced and they aren't distinct enough from regular snows to carry a specific name. Using the name snowsicle would help to identify them as snows arising from creamsicle breedings, icicle has also been suggested but I think it has too much potential to be confused with the ice ghost corns from lava lines.

The snake in the photos looks like it could be a creamsicle - it actually resembles the frosted creamsicle to some degree - though it is very hard to tell from the photos. The frosted creams have grey ratsnake in the background in addition to great plains ratsnake and can produce a saddle that is a lot lighter in the center than it is around the edges - with each scale having the color occur centrally rather than over the entire scale.

Look forward to seeing more pictures and hope you are able to get an answer from the breeder - that is really the only way to know for sure what went into the snake you have,


mary v.
 
I thought Opal at first becuase it does resemble one, but I think it has too dark of colors.. I wouldnt mind an Opal though :)

I am thinking creamsicle pretty strongly but I could be wrong.. I would really like if he is a frosted creamsicle, I love those they are so pretty.. But who knows, we'll see. Do you have any pictures or know where to find pictures of frosted cream hatchlings?

I should have the new pics on here soon, they will have better details.. The breeder emailed me once but then hasnt emailed me back now.. I wish he could just tell me what his parents are and are het for.. That is all I'm asking of him.. Is anyone on here familiar with Ben Siegel's corns that might have some insight for me..

Right now I have him paired with a (supposed) high pink snow corn.. So I am hoping that one of his parents where snow so he'll be het.. If not its ok I still love him.. Can anyone tell by his head or his pattern whether or not he's a hybrid?
 
here is a opal, photo courtesy vmsherps.com
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Couldn't find a hatchlling frosted cream but I did find this adult
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Wow OK I guess Opals can be that dark.. And I have seen that pic of the frosted creamsicle, I saw that and was like wow I hope thats what it is lol.. It's hard to tell since they change so much from hatchlings to adults.. I dont think its the coral snows though it looks alot different. I just wanna know :( this kinda sucks not knowing llol
 
Sounds like you are just going to have to wait until it matures, keep trying to contact the breeder though, its always nice to know what genes your snake has.
 
Yeah I am still waiting on the breeder to email me back.. :( I don't think he is ever going to email me ... I dont understand why he wouldnt though.. I should have pics soon... Still waiting on my nieghbor..
 
:-offtopic sorry but, i have a creamsicle and never really knew it was a hybrid. what is it? 75% corn 25% emoryi? no wonder its so fierce. :bang:
 
Here is the picture I was waiting for from my neighbor.. He took alot of pictures but only sent me one :( I'll have to go as him for the rest..
Does this give anyone any more ideas? Though keep in mind he is less red than in that pic, more like the colors in my pics..
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