SOS Immediate help needed!

[Lennycorn]

Not to be rude, cause I have NO experience in this matter...but I just read over Kathy's new book, on page 102, third paragraph down. ..Only a few scattered holes.... you guys can take from there. :wavey:

 

[tgebert]

why?

I advise you to do four things:

1. Chunk the eggs in the mourning garbage
2. Separate the animals from each other
3. Cut way back on your feeding regime (maybe once every 10-12 days for the male, and once every 8 for the female)
4. Buy a good cornsnake book, I reccomend Corn Snakes: The Comprehensive Owner's Guide by Kathy Love, You can order this book directly form Kathy from her website, www.cornutopia.com

Why would I not try to hatch the clutch?

 

[Joejr14]

Why would I not try to hatch the clutch?

Probably because it seems that you have no idea what you're doing, and he's afraid that if you can't properly take care of 2 snakes, how are you going to take care of 2 plus 10.

 

[mike17l]

Why would I not try to hatch the clutch?

Pretty much what Joe said. No offense to you, but if you do not have the knowledge and experience to properly take care of the ones you have, you do not need any more.

 

[tgebert]

Thanks, but no thanks joejr.

Probably because it seems that you have no idea what you're doing, and he's afraid that if you can't properly take care of 2 snakes, how are you going to take care of 2 plus 10.

it appears your job here is to be as anoying as you can be! You most likely have nothing better to do as real people can not tollerate you. As I have ead nothing of any use from your previous posts please don't bother replying to anything else that pertains to me

 

[tgebert]

Pretty much what Joe said. No offense to you, but if you do not have the knowledge and experience to properly take care of the ones you have, you do not need any more.

Gotta start somewhere. And previous vet check suggest the 4 snakes I currently own are very healthy, Thanks anyway

 

[mike17l]

Gotta start somewhere.

So, does that mean you own corns purly for economical reasons? Or are they pets as well? If they are pets, you would (presumably) care about there health and well being. It is common knowledge (on this forum [do a search], and in much literature) that housing snakes together can have some negative effects. If one has owned and breed snakes for many years, then they would be more qualified and experienced to house animals together, but a new owner (less than 5 years or so) should most deffinately not house animals together. The snake that layed the eggs, will very likely have some deleterious effect from laying at only one year of age. She may not have any immediate effects, but her life will definately be shortened (both by the early clutch and by power feeding). Until you gain more knowledge and experience, please do us a favor and do not breed or propegate your animals.

And previous vet check suggest the 4 snakes I currently own are very healthy, Thanks anyway

And again, a knowledgeable vet, would suggest not cohabiting your animals, and would also reccomend that you back way off on feeding. Perhaps you should find a new vet.

 

[tgebert]

So, does that mean you own corns purly for economical reasons? Or are they pets as well? If they are pets, you would (presumably) care about there health and well being. It is common knowledge (on this forum [do a search], and in much literature) that housing snakes together can have some negative effects. If one has owned and breed snakes for many years, then they would be more qualified and experienced to house animals together, but a new owner (less than 5 years or so) should most deffinately not house animals together. The snake that layed the eggs, will very likely have some deleterious effect from laying at only one year of age. She may not have any immediate effects, but her life will definately be shortened (both by the early clutch and by power feeding). Until you gain more knowledge and experience, please do us a favor and do not breed or propegate your animals.




And again, a knowledgeable vet, would suggest not cohabiting your animals, and would also reccomend that you back way off on feeding. Perhaps you should find a new vet.

thanks mike and I do appreciate your advice, I have read several of your post in other forums and respect your knowledge. As for adverse effects of cohabitation besides what I have already run into, I am curious as to what they are. What I was refering to in Gotta start somewhere Is that I wish to propagate my snakes Like most owners. And though I have limited knowledge, I find several others in these forums with less. Cut me some slack

 

[mike17l]

thanks mike and I do appreciate your advice, I have read several of your post in other forums and respect your knowledge. As for adverse effects of cohabitation besides what I have already run into, I am curious as to what they are. What I was refering to in Gotta start somewhere Is that I wish to propagate my snakes Like most owners.

Thank you.
The big issue, besides unwanted and unplaned breeding, is health problems. The main thing being, if one snake is sick, then most likely any other snake in the same habitat is going to be sick as well. That means twice (or thrice, or more) the vet bill, if the situation requires a vet visit. Un-needed stress can occure to animals that are housed together. If there is not enough room for enough hides ro heat sources, snakes can be stressed when they try to occupy the same space at the same time. Also, it happens, people miss-sex animals quite often. If you think you have two females, or even a pair together, but actually have two males, it can be very stressful for the animals. They will constantly battle (not always obviously to the owner) for dominance, and this will put much stress on both animals and especially on the less dominate one. Along the same lines, sometimes the less dominate one will not perform during breeding season if he has been with a more dominate male.
Second to health of the colony, is husbandry issues. With more than one animal in a enclosure, you can not tell who has shed, pooped, or regurgitated. If you want to accuaratly track the health of the animals, you should keep good records. This is very hard to do in a multianimal enclosure.

And though I have limited knowledge, I find several others in these forums with less. Cut me some slack

This is very true, there are many who should not even be allowed to post in public forums. Most of them are just plain ignorant, you on the other hand are expressing a desire to learn more and better care for your animals and thus are rising above the ignorant to a new and better level. I commend you for this.

 

[Joejr14]

it appears your job here is to be as anoying as you can be! You most likely have nothing better to do as real people can not tollerate you. As I have ead nothing of any use from your previous posts please don't bother replying to anything else that pertains to me

I was simply speculating as to what the poster had in mind. Don't get so uptight. Funny how you're mad at me for speculating, yet you appreciate his advice. :shrugs:

I also guess that 37 snakes worth of experience doesn't count for anything, since all I do is sit on here and 'be as annoying as I can'.

Examples of 'helping' other people and 'having something better to do', and in this case, would have helped you out.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28342

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28341

 

[princess]

it appears your job here is to be as anoying as you can be! You most likely have nothing better to do as real people can not tollerate you.

Wow Joe, I think this is a record for a newbie figuring you out! :grin01:

 

[tgebert]

thanks for helping

Mom is doing great so far. Have gathered some good information. Sorry guys but I am going on with incubation of the clutch. So, that means there will be several more sorties between the friends I have made ... and the one I didn't. I look forward to all future responses... yes you too joejr. All will be glad to know I have separated the snakes luckily before I had anymore problems. although I must say the way the snakes nested together I don't feel there was too much stress. I do feel the health issues are a valid concern. Again thanks to all for feedback

 

[Gintha]

Glad to hear you separated them =) I always see stuff about one snake eating the other and both dying and I refuse to put mine together for even 2 minutes LOL *shudders* Good luck with your eggies =)

 

[tgebert]

you know, they were together for an entire year and no probs. Also had a normal and sunglow together, but everyone freaked so I figured I had better do as suggested. I think it's best from what I'm hearing

 

[tgebert]

you know, they were together for an entire year and no probs. Also had a normal and sunglow together, but everyone freaked so I figured I had better do as suggested. I think it's best from what I'm hearing

except for the unexpected eggs that is!

 

[jennrosefx]

I think when we see them snuggling together and think they like each other, that that is just us personifying them. In reality, I think it's more likely that both like that spot the best (due to temps and whatever other factors are comming into play) and so both choose to cram together there. And even though they look completely relaxed and content, the simple act of them both wanting that space can actually be stressing them out. If only they could bite their nails or get zits or something when stressed...it'd make it much easier for us to figure out! LOL!

But I'm glad to see that all is well. Keep us posted on the eggs!

 

[tgebert]

good point. I keep forgetting that they have less brain capacity than a pencil erasure. It's not like they were wagging their tales or anything.
tnx

 

[jennrosefx]

Oh...my texas ratsnake "wags his tail" every time he sees me...but it's not because he's happy to see me! HAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[ghosthousecorns]

:-offtopicI've never tried incubating WITHOUT the air holes in the container but my gut feeling is that in the enclosed environment of the incubator, the humidity is fine. I hardly ever have to spritz eggs as long as I keep the water reservoirs in the hovabator filled.
If I didn't have the air holes I'd be worried about mold. I guess it's one of those things that works either way though.