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Speckled King X Corn

If someone had a champion cocker spaniel, and it accidently bred with some other mutt, it would be considered "ruined" by it's owner.
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No the puppies would be "ruined"... not the parent dogs, even though said champion dog is the genetically ruined dog and the puppies will be healthier with the fresh pool of genes. Show dogs are the genetic crap of the canine world. All they do is walk in a circle and have their original working drives bred right out of them.

Grizzly bears are now known to occasionally mate with polar bears in the wild... so why could this not happen in the natural snake world too?

I mean, they are not like mules, that are hybridized for a purpose. These animals are worthless....
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And what job do snakes perform in society? Last time I checked mine couldn't pull a cart or help a blind person. People buy them because how they LOOK. If someone thinks a hybrid looks better than your pure bred, then in their eyes it is worth more (AKA NOT WORTHLESS). When shopping for a snake, I'm not going to buy something ugly because it is pure, I want something that is visually attractive... might it be pure or a hybrid.

Oh and Emily don't worry I repped ForkedTongue for you!
 
MalinoisK9 said:
No the puppies would be "ruined"... not the parent dogs, even though said champion dog is the genetically ruined dog and the puppies will be healthier with the fresh pool of genes. Show dogs are the genetic crap of the canine world. All they do is walk in a circle and have their original working drives bred right out of them.

Grizzly bears are now known to occasionally mate with polar bears in the wild... so why could this not happen in the natural snake world too?



And what job do snakes perform in society? Last time I checked mine couldn't pull a cart or help a blind person. People buy them because how they LOOK. If someone thinks a hybrid looks better than your pure bred, then in their eyes it is worth more (AKA NOT WORTHLESS). When shopping for a snake, I'm not going to buy something ugly because it is pure, I want something that is visually attractive... might it be pure or a hybrid.

Oh and Emily don't worry I repped ForkedTongue for you!
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and yet...both YOUR dogs are beautiful purebreds!!! LOL
and like I said before, dogs are the same species...most hybrid snakes are not.
I had no idea grizzleys sometimes mate with polar bears...and I am an Animal Planet addict....that is interesting....
 
MalinoisK9 said:
No the puppies would be "ruined"... not the parent dogs, even though said champion dog is the genetically ruined dog and the puppies will be healthier with the fresh pool of genes. Show dogs are the genetic crap of the canine world. All they do is walk in a circle and have their original working drives bred right out of them.

Grizzly bears are now known to occasionally mate with polar bears in the wild... so why could this not happen in the natural snake world too?



And what job do snakes perform in society? Last time I checked mine couldn't pull a cart or help a blind person. People buy them because how they LOOK. If someone thinks a hybrid looks better than your pure bred, then in their eyes it is worth more (AKA NOT WORTHLESS). When shopping for a snake, I'm not going to buy something ugly because it is pure, I want something that is visually attractive... might it be pure or a hybrid.

Oh and Emily don't worry I repped ForkedTongue for you!
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This! (except if the prettier snake is stupidly hard to maintain in captivity, then they are "picture pets" :3)
 
its alright, i like to hear other peoples opinions, though that doesnt stop me from wanting to see a hybrid between the two, no matter what it does to the gene pool. I have always wanted to dabble in genetics and try to come up with my own breeds of different things. i have always been a curious person like that.
LBoz, i dont see myself going anywhere. as long as i have snakes i will be hanging around.
 
Outcast said:
its alright, i like to hear other peoples opinions, though that doesnt stop me from wanting to see a hybrid between the two, no matter what it does to the gene pool. I have always wanted to dabble in genetics and try to come up with my own breeds of different things. i have always been a curious person like that.
LBoz, i dont see myself going anywhere. as long as i have snakes i will be hanging around.
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Snakes don't really come in "breeds"...just species, subspecies, and color morphs. What I find interesting is when someone can take a "look" like Miami, patternlessness, Okeetee, or something like that, and perfect it, take it to another level.....
 
I LOVE the way hybrids look. :3 I don't think there should be any hybrid "lines" or anything like that. I think if you make a hybrid, don't breed it! But I'd love to own one, strictly as a pet.
 
starsevol said:
and yet...both YOUR dogs are beautiful purebreds!!! LOL
and like I said before, dogs are the same species...most hybrid snakes are not.
I had no idea grizzleys sometimes mate with polar bears...and I am an Animal Planet addict....that is interesting....
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Hahaha! Do you think that snake breeders are the only ones that lie about the purity of their animals' genes? In Europe, if it has long hair - it's a Tervuren; if it has short hair - it's a Malinois; if it has a black coat - it's a Groenendale; if it's wiry coated - it's a Laekenois!
 
starsevol said:
and yet...both YOUR dogs are beautiful purebreds!!! LOL
and like I said before, dogs are the same species...most hybrid snakes are not.
I had no idea grizzleys sometimes mate with polar bears...and I am an Animal Planet addict....that is interesting....
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Yes, Sheldon's dog are PUREBRED WORKING STOCK dogs... not "running around in circle for ribbons" crap. They weren't born because their parents looked a certain way, they were born because their parents had an outstanding capacity to work and protect.
 
To the OP - I honestly haven't heard of this particular hybrid.

And starsevol - I didn't mean to come across as rude - it was just funny because a lot of people don't realize how much fabrication goes in to making some pedigrees. I honestly haven't put much though into hybrids or even looked at them with more than a passing glance. I'll definitely give it some thought, though. :)
 
starsevol said:
and yet...both YOUR dogs are beautiful purebreds!!! LOL
and like I said before, dogs are the same species...most hybrid snakes are not.
I had no idea grizzleys sometimes mate with polar bears...and I am an Animal Planet addict....that is interesting....
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I'm glad we found common ground with animal planet!:) :)


I am extremely flattered about the complement and it is very appreciated .

This is off the thread topic but I love talking dogs (who would have guessed!)

BUUUT just a clarification about the pups. The reason Malinois are almost free of most genetic disorders is the fact that in Europe and a fair number of american breeders, they are openly breed with Dutch Shepherds and the other Belgian Shepherd types. Malinois have so much genetic diversity that they can vary from 35lbs females to 95lbs males and every size and stature in between. With many European breeders if it has the basic look of a malinois.. is fast and loves to bite... well we'll call it a malinois. If their blood line is too small they breed in some larger breed and keep what looks and acts like a mal. For my german shepherd (in my eyes he is part of what went wrong with the breed) not in the show sense of the ugly sloped back and zero work drives. But this bigger is better style of breeding. The original GSDs were in fact supposed to be more like the Mals and actually came from belgian shepherd stocks. They were much smaller than the typical GSD found today (65-80lbs) and have perfectly level top lines. I'm lucky with mine in that he is a working line bred dog so he was bred for function over looks and was spared the curses of show lines. Back in the 90's the head of the German Schäferhund Club was kicked out for making statements that the breed had drifted from its original design and was loosing its working abilities. They tossed him out when he said they should start breeding malinois into the blood lines, as it would bring down the size and increase the drive. Plus would help filter out genetic diseases. Well sadly we have yet to see the day when the GSD is back in its full glory but thankfully we have breeders that are continuing the DDR bloodline (East German) which is considered the "Best working GSD" blood line and closest to what they were originally supposed to be.
 
Emily1188 said:
Yes, Sheldon's dog are PUREBRED WORKING STOCK dogs... not "running around in circle for ribbons" crap. They weren't born because their parents looked a certain way, they were born because their parents had an outstanding capacity to work and protect.
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and like I said, many of the dogs (working group ) shown at Westminster, also work in the field doing what they were bred to do. At least according to the announcer. They also occaisonally show film clips of the dogs in the ring WORKING in the field.

And arguing the worthlessness of show dogs, that are bred to a breed standard, really does not have alot to do with the "right or wrong" of mixing species. Working dog or show dog, they are all dogs, we are not breeding dogs with foxes here.....
 
VickyChaiTea said:
I LOVE the way hybrids look. :3 I don't think there should be any hybrid "lines" or anything like that. I think if you make a hybrid, don't breed it! But I'd love to own one, strictly as a pet.
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This is the part I fear. Soon...you would have soup.
I understand we are breeding corn for a certain "look". Not like their "wild" nature color grandparents. But I just prefer not mixing species.
I like them "factor stock" LOL
 
starsevol said:
and like I said, many of the dogs (working group ) shown at Westminster, also work in the field doing what they were bred to do. At least according to the announcer. They also occaisonally show film clips of the dogs in the ring WORKING in the field.

And arguing the worthlessness of show dogs, that are bred to a breed standard, really does not have alot to do with the "right or wrong" of mixing species. Working dog or show dog, they are all dogs, we are not breeding dogs with foxes here.....
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Sadly those short clips are typically a quick edited shot to make it look like they do. Nearly none of the dogs shown actually have work drives. My good friend's dog won the Westminster in 2006 (Josh the Newfoundland) and anyone involved in serious showing (especially AKC) don't ever do any form of actual work with their dogs. I can say since I am very involved in the dog world that work lines and show lines hardly ever cross paths.
 
MalinoisK9 said:
I'm glad we found common ground with animal planet!:) :)


I am extremely flattered about the complement and it is very appreciated .

This is off the thread topic but I love talking dogs (who would have guessed!)

BUUUT just a clarification about the pups. The reason Malinois are almost free of most genetic disorders is the fact that in Europe and a fair number of american breeders, they are openly breed with Dutch Shepherds and the other Belgian Shepherd types. Malinois have so much genetic diversity that they can vary from 35lbs females to 95lbs males and every size and stature in between. With many European breeders if it has the basic look of a malinois.. is fast and loves to bite... well we'll call it a malinois. If their blood line is too small they breed in some larger breed and keep what looks and acts like a mal. For my german shepherd (in my eyes he is part of what went wrong with the breed) not in the show sense of the ugly sloped back and zero work drives. But this bigger is better style of breeding. The original GSDs were in fact supposed to be more like the Mals and actually came from belgian shepherd stocks. They were much smaller than the typical GSD found today (65-80lbs) and have perfectly level top lines. I'm lucky with mine in that he is a working line bred dog so he was bred for function over looks and was spared the curses of show lines. Back in the 90's the head of the German Schäferhund Club was kicked out for making statements that the breed had drifted from its original design and was loosing its working abilities. They tossed him out when he said they should start breeding malinois into the blood lines, as it would bring down the size and increase the drive. Plus would help filter out genetic diseases. Well sadly we have yet to see the day when the GSD is back in its full glory but thankfully we have breeders that are continuing the DDR bloodline (East German) which is considered the "Best working GSD" blood line and closest to what they were originally supposed to be.
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I don't know alot about either Belgian breed as far as the american vs the european standard, but I have heard that the Belgian Travern (spelling again...) is one of the rareest breeds in the country....I know someone that has one and he said he had to wait...it was either 2 or 3 years to get his....

I guess my point about the show dog thing was that people tend to be passionate about their dog breed, snake species, cat breed or what have you. So, to some of us corn "purists", hybridizing seems like breeding a top Westminster champion whateveritis....to a street mutt, and doing it on purpose!! In my eyes, cornsnakes are about as perfect as animal as you are likely to find..I love them...so why tamper with perfection (and change it?)
 
starsevol said:
. So, to some of us corn "purists", hybridizing seems like breeding a top Westminster champion whateveritis....to a street mutt, and doing it on purpose!! In my eyes, cornsnakes are about as perfect as animal as you are likely to find..I love them...so why tamper with perfection (and change it?)
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Ah - this puts things into extreme perspective, for me at least. I don't feel the same - mostly because my passions aren't lying so deep with the purity of my snakes; but I definitely understand your unhappiness with this practice.

Out of curiosity, are there explicit health risks involved in crossing the species? (The parents or the young?)
 
MalinoisK9 said:
Sadly those short clips are typically a quick edited shot to make it look like they do. Nearly none of the dogs shown actually have work drives. My good friend's dog won the Westminster in 2006 (Josh the Newfoundland) and anyone involved in serious showing (especially AKC) don't ever do any form of actual work with their dogs. I can say since I am very involved in the dog world that work lines and show lines hardly ever cross paths.
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I guess that is probably fine if you want a nice pet and have no actual work for them to do.
Alot of people make mistake of buying dogs like labs and border collies and gsds and try to make them into apartment dogs or couch potatos...and end up getting rid of them because the dog has too much pent up energy.

And unless there is a dog breed really good at cleaning out snake cages, I can't think of a working breed that would fit in here!!
 
Maligator said:
Ah - this puts things into extreme perspective, for me at least. I don't feel the same - mostly because my passions aren't lying so deep with the purity of my snakes; but I definitely understand your unhappiness with this practice.

Out of curiosity, are there explicit health risks involved in crossing the species? (The parents or the young?)
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I don't think there is...unless of course one of the parents is a kingsnake and it eats its intended mate....:)
 
Seems like a pretty high health risk to me ;)

And I agree completely about people buying dogs that don't fit with their lifestyle. We'll take our Mali out to the dog park and everyone will compliment his great behavior, nudge their husband or wife and say 'See? This is the kind of dog we need. So well behaved!' Sheldon and I immediately shake our heads furiously and let them know that if left unattended, the dog will destroy your house lol.
 
As much as I dislike hybridizing, I am waiting for someone to breed a dog with a ficus tree.....might fit in well with my lifestyle..LOL

(I love dogs, but right now I work too many hours to properly keep one. If I get a dog that dogs needs has to come first....)
 
starsevol said:
I love dogs, but right now I work too many hours to properly keep one. If I get a dog that dogs needs has to come first
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It's refreshing to see responsible pet owners. As I'm sure you know, the number of people who want a dog - or any pet, really - simply for the fun of the first three days is revolting.

Way back to the OP - do you have any hybrids? I know there must be some interest in them from the start of the thread, but I wasn't sure if you have one or some.
 
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