Spider Ball Pythons...

[Paul-Dominic]

I absolutely love this morph of snake.. They're so unique looking and create the two nicest looking snakes on earth IMHO (Bumble Bee and Killerbee). Theres a reptile show coming up and my friend Mat (Putty here on cs.com) has been going crazy for Ball Pythons over the last two weeks and will be picking up one this Sunday at the show. He intends on breeding Balls and I told him maybe if we could get a deal on a pair I'd get one also and we'd breed them.

The thing is while normals and pastels (especially lemons) look cool, If I got a ball python that wasn't a spider I'd just feel... I dunno empty, lol. The thing is that we live in Quebec, I've seen one Spider for sale in a pet store--- 800$ Canadian (for those in the UK, Canadas dollar is .01 behind Americas) and 800 seems ridiculous. The show is coming and I think their will be other Spiders, what seems REASONABLE to pay for a spider that may not even be the nicest but a spider none the less?

Also, how do you produce Spiders? Its co-dominant right? Meaning I'd need two ball pythons carrying the Spider Gene or??? I figure maybe its cheaper to produce than buy them? I never seem to see Ball Pythons het for Spider or stuff like that for sale. Any advice on spiders is appreciated.

 

[Paul-Dominic]

I guess this sort of answered my question, a quote I found:

"Spiders are dominant-trait based animals so there's no way to visually tell if hatchlings from the clutch are the "super" version by visual inspection alone. Since Spider ball pythons are dominant-trait animals, statistically speaking, when bred to a normal ball python half the clutch will be Spider ball pythons and the other half above average looking normal ball pythons."

So would these above average looking normals have the Spider gene in them? And if they did how much would they cost, and how would one go about bringing it out? Breeding it to a spider/normal that came from a spider?

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Spider is dominant, not co-dominant (their is no "super"form of Spider). Because of this, you have to have at least one Spider to produce a Spider. Their is no het for Spider, so Spider siblings are nothing but Normals.

Spiders go for $200-400 in the US, so I'm not surprised prices in Canada are double....They just aren't as common up there as they are down here.

 

[Paul-Dominic]

Thanks for clearing that up with me Triplemoonexotics. 200$ wouldn't be bad at all, I mean 800$ for a pet store quality Spider is just crazy.

 

[SnakesRule1234]

I have never seen a spider ball python for $200.... $300 would be the least, and even then you won't get a nice one.

The prices for bps are slowly going down, if you want you can save up some money (and/or get some other morph now) and buy that snake in a year or two...

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I have never seen a spider ball python for $200.... $300 would be the least, and even then you won't get a nice one.

I am talking US show prices.
Hamburg this last show I saw quite a few Spiders for $200...and I never said they were nice one.

 

[torsten]

a killerbee is a super pastel spider? and a bumble bee is a ............ ?

what are the other .........bee combinations?

 

[Paul-Dominic]

Hmmm, well Morph Source is gonna be at the expo and their lowest spiders are 500$.. oi, but they have 50% Het Albinos for 100$ each males and females, so say I got a pair, bred them would I most likely get at least one Albino?

Even though I'm 18, my 'rents aint too keen on me spending this much money on reptiles, already have 8 (9 actually as I've put down money on a female ATB for my male), Maybe I could make the money by breeding the Leos for the next two years, then the ATBs in three years, then Wam Ill get me a nice spider when I'm 21..lol... Asides from Spiders, Lemon Pastels look nice but again.. 400$ I'm seeing for females.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

a killerbee is a super pastel spider? and a bumble bee is a ............ ? what are the other .........bee combinations?

Bumble Bee is a Pastel Spider.
Spider combos can be seen here (scroll to the bottom for the list).

they have 50% Het Albinos for 100$ each males and females, so say I got a pair, bred them would I most likely get at least one Albino?

No. It means that each of those babies has a chance of being het Albino, not that they are het Albino. Possible hets aren't worth much of anything down here in the US (especially Albino since you can get a pair of guaranteed hets for $300-400). You could just be spending $200 on a pair of Normal ball pythons.

 

[SnakesRule1234]

I am talking US show prices.
Hamburg this last show I saw quite a few Spiders for $200...and I never said they were nice one.

Yes, I'm talking about US prices too. I went to two Hamburg shows and never saw ones so cheap. But if you did, then whatever, but I still doubt it.

Paul, I think that breeding what you have now or what you will get for less is a good idea. And by the time your 21 you will probably have more variety and cheaper morphs to choose from.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I went to two Hamburg shows and never saw ones so cheap. But if you did, then whatever, but I still doubt it.

Yes...That's it...I'm lying about seeing male Spiders at Hamburg for $200...Just like I'm lying that I picked up an '07 Mojave last weekend for $400 from the same show.

 

[SnakesRule1234]

Yes...That's it...I'm lying about seeing male Spiders at Hamburg for $200...Just like I'm lying that I picked up an '07 Mojave last weekend for $400 from the same show.

I never said that you lied... I just said I doubt it. And if you did, then congrats!

This is a silly thing to argue about, so let's just agree to disagree.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

There's nothing to "agree to disagree" on. I was there. I saw a vendor with male Spiders for $200, females for $300. Heck, there was a guy who was selling male Mojaves for $250 (of course they were gone shortly after opening at those prices).