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Steve Irwin Dies at age 44, A sad day in the herping world..

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OMG that is soooo bad to do! :flames: :flames: :flames: Those people have no clue what Steve was about and that animals just behave like they are programmed to do and hardly ever kill for fun or 'just because', maybe only when they have rabies or such. And blaming other animals of the species is plain sick!
 
Unbelievable!!!!!

That's just completely unbelievable/unacceptable, Steve would be horrified to say the least, to think that someone would believe this could possibly make the family & friends feel better is just an example of their ignorance! Marshall P..
 
Methinks those people missed the point entirely.

While I can see why we put down dangerous dogs, the idea of "revenge" against an animal is ludicrous. It's assuming that the animal has a moral compass and all kinds of ulterior motives. The stingray in question didn't "hate" Steve. And it wasn't looking to inherit a fortune in his will, and it wasn't taking out a federally protected witness to a murder committed by the Chinese mafia...it's completely insane to think of any animal as evil or in need of punishment because one animal of that species killed someone. My word, we'd have to kill every animal on earth...The stingray that did the deed is quite unaware of the havoc it created--in a sense, that's our problem, not the stingray's.
 
i dont wanna make yall sit here and read a loong story so ill sum it up
i loved steve irwin,my thoughts are with his family
he was a good man and has a neverending place in my heart
 
I loved steve, he died doing what he done best, theres no better way to go, but it could have been a bit later. i completely backed him up on the case about lil bob and the croc.
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Cousteau: Irwin's tactics 'misleading' Tue Sep 19, 10:01 PM ET



LOS ANGELES - Marine explorer Jean-Michel Cousteau said Tuesday that while he mourns the recent death of "The Crocodile Hunter," Steve Irwin, he disagrees with Irwin's hands-on approach to nature television.

While promoting his new two-part TV special, "Jean-Michel Cousteau: Ocean Adventures — America's Underwater Treasures," Cousteau called Irwin's death "very, very unfortunate."

He had "a lot of respect" for Irwin, who he didn't know personally, and his "environmental message," Cousteau said.

But, he added, Irwin would "interfere with nature, jump on animals, grab them, hold them, and have this very, very spectacular, dramatic way of presenting things. Of course, it goes very well on television. It sells, it appeals to a lot people, but I think it's very misleading. You don't touch nature, you just look at it. And that's why I'm still alive. I've been diving over 61 years — a lot many more years that he's been alive — and I don't mess with nature."

Irwin died Sept. 4 when a stingray's barb pieced his chest while he was filming an underwater sequence at the Great Barrier Reef. Irwin was 44.


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What is your point Vinman? Cousteau was better cause he was a wussy? Or that you are right about not giving a rat's ass about Irwin? I guess Cousteau did not earn the money to do what Steve did for the animal world, only looking at animals.... or do i miss something? You really tickle my annoyance nerves again..... but you don't care, I know :noevil:
 
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What is your point Vinman? Cousteau was better cause he was a wussy? Or that you are right about not giving a rat's ass about Irwin? I guess Cousteau did not earn the money to do what Steve did for the animal world, only looking at animals.... or do i miss something? You really tickle my annoyance nerves again..... but you don't care, I know :noevil:
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Sorry Cousteau is proffessional and knows what he is doing .He not a wussy, just smart and still alive I might add. steve was total out of his relm in the ocean. Did not know what he was doing .

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Irwin would "interfere with nature, jump on animals, grab them, hold them, and have this very, very spectacular, dramatic way of presenting things. Of course, it goes very well on television. It sells, it appeals to a lot people, but I think it's very misleading. You don't touch nature, you just look at it. And that's why I'm still alive. I've been diving over 61 years — a lot many more years that he's been alive — and I don't mess with nature."
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This quote says it all Cousteau respect nature. This is a professional Oceanographer and learned from his dad on top of his 61 years diving.

How many young people have and will get hurt or hurt wildlife trying to imitate Steve.
You just dont get it. Do you, Steve did love animals yes there is no denying it but he was unproffessional in the way he handle the animals. Just because you make more money in what you do does not mean you know more that others. Steve was in the limelight and did what he had to do to keep his ratetings high. He knew what sells that didn't mean he know what he was doing.He set a bad exalple to people when they go into nature. People will think it is ok to bother the animals. Some will get hurt and some will do damage to wildlife.
Although you dont know it I am a volunteer in Pelham bay Park over 10 years now . I do conservation work, the reduction of native herps in the largets park in NYC it is 3 times the size of central park. I also vollunteered in The Bronx zoo in the World of Birds and the reptile house. I also hunt out in the feild for herps .Sometimes to collect for me or for the parks dept. or just to look.
There are many species of herps that get stressed out very easily . They can get injured or can die from the way they are handled.
Steve was flashy and may entertained you but at what price .He was not a good role model on how to conduct the way you interact with wild animals.
 
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Sorry Cousteau is a knows what he is doing .He not a wussy, just smart and still alive I might add. steve was total out of his relm in the ocean. Did not know what he was doing .



This quote says it all Cousteau respect nature. This is a professional Oceanographer and learned from his dad on top of his 61 years diving.

How many young people have and will get hurt or hurt wildlife trying to imitate Steve.
You just dont get it. Do you, Steve did love animals yes there is no denying it but he was unproffessional in the way he handle the animals. Just because you make more money in what you do does not mean you know more that others. Steve was in the limelight and did what he had to do to keep his ratetings high. He knew what sells that didn't mean he know what he was doing.He set a bad exalple to people when they go into nature. People will think it is ok to bother the animals. Some will get hurt and some will do damage to wildlife.
Although you dont know it I am a volunteer in Pelham bay Park over 10 years now . I do conservation work, the reduction of native herps in the largets park in NYC it is 3 times the size of central park. I also vollunteered in The Bronx zoo in the World of Birds and the reptile house. I also hunt out in the feild for herps .Sometimes to collect for me or for the parks dept. or just to look.
There are many species of herps that get stressed out very easily . They can get injured or can die from the way they are handled.
Steve was flashy and may entertained you but at what price .He was not a good role model on how to conduct the way you interact with wild animals.
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Steve ALWAYS told people NOT to imitate him.... since kids tended to respect him, I assuem they listened to that... and I do think the stress he surely caused to some animals is worth the money he earned for their conservation.... thsese animals can surely handle some extra stress added to their daily life... they are not hanging out watching tv all day y' know.

And I do know about all of your experience, why is that a reason to believe you are a professional and Steve was not? Like he had no experience....

About Cousteau; of course he was good in his own way, I only called him a wussy to be a little sarcastic... :rolleyes: I do think though that Steve would never had said he respected Cousteau, followed by a negative part if he died. I feel jealousy in C's words... Maybe Steve closed the days of C?

I think if Steve did not know what he was doing, some croc or venomous snake might have killed him long before he came on television. Dragging around crocs for a couple of years in the jungle on your own is not healthy if you don't know what you are doing.... :sidestep:
 
Well, I've tried to stay out of the petty arguements arising from Steve Irwin's death, but this really does irritate me.

Congratulations, Vinman. Once again, you have shown yourself incapable of simple human decency. The man is dead. This thread was started so others could express their sorrow and their sympathy over the loss of a worthwhile human being who contributed something positive to the world. And you managed to turn it into a smear campaign.

Is Jean-Michel Cousteau a professional oceanographer? No doubt. Has he stayed alive using the methods he obviously learned from his father? Undeniably. Would I trust him with my life on a dive? Most definitely. ... Would I feel safe accompanying him across a wilderness land inhabited with dangerous reptiles? Not for a moment. Because Cousteau's expertise is markedly different than Steve Irwin's was. But I would have trusted Irwin's abilities in a wilderness land such as Australia's Outback.

So Cousteau disapproved of Irwin's methods. So what? His brother Philippe didn't have a problem working with him.

There are plenty of folks who have disapproved of your methods with snakes. I'm sure there are those who would disapprove of mine. So what? Someone else's disapproval doesn't equate to either of us being bad keepers. And Jean-Michel's disapproval of Irwin's methods don't make Irwin a bad environmentalist.

For the sake of plain human decency, if you have nothing positive or constructive to say, then take your venom and your bile elsewhere. Because I long ago lost interest in hearing or considering your opinion as a result of your personal presentation in many threads.
 
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Well, I've tried to stay out of the petty arguements arising from Steve Irwin's death, but this really does irritate me.

Congratulations, Vinman. Once again, you have shown yourself incapable of simple human decency. The man is dead. This thread was started so others could express their sorrow and their sympathy over the loss of a worthwhile human being who contributed something positive to the world. And you managed to turn it into a smear campaign.

Is Jean-Michel Cousteau a professional oceanographer? No doubt. Has he stayed alive using the methods he obviously learned from his father? Undeniably. Would I trust him with my life on a dive? Most definitely. ... Would I feel safe accompanying him across a wilderness land inhabited with dangerous reptiles? Not for a moment. Because Cousteau's expertise is markedly different than Steve Irwin's was. But I would have trusted Irwin's abilities in a wilderness land such as Australia's Outback.

So Cousteau disapproved of Irwin's methods. So what? His brother Philippe didn't have a problem working with him.

There are plenty of folks who have disapproved of your methods with snakes. I'm sure there are those who would disapprove of mine. So what? Someone else's disapproval doesn't equate to either of us being bad keepers. And Jean-Michel's disapproval of Irwin's methods don't make Irwin a bad environmentalist.

For the sake of plain human decency, if you have nothing positive or constructive to say, then take your venom and your bile elsewhere. Because I long ago lost interest in hearing or considering your opinion as a result of your personal presentation in many threads.
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Amen! You got a rep!
 
Look my words in my first post were harsh but this is how I feel and yes I should have put is in more kind words. If we are gona discuss something sarcastic remarkes wont solve anything. I can be as sarcastic all I want ,it wont prove a point.
The fact that steve had no business doing anything with ocean animals That was not his specitaly. The fact you tell someone not to do this doesnot mean that they will listen this is why he should had a more professional way of doing things .He was a role model to a lot of people including young children.
Not the fact is he was a professional, He didn't act that way on camera and was missleading . The old saying Do what say dont do what I do. It just dont cut it.
Kitty sorry you dont like what I have to say but the truth hurts. Hopefuly people will learn from Steves death . There is a right and a wrong way to intereact with wildlife. The fact people have done wildlife shows for years and they are still alive and he is dead will show people that his way was dangerous and not proper. It is sad that he had to die to bad he just couldent got realy hurt insead, but at least some good will come out of it his death the fact that you cant just be careless with wild animals. The people I feel bad for is his family . Having a wife and kids He should took it down a thousand. He did not have to go beond his means. He had no business in the ocaen. He was a zoo keeper/ herpetoligest not a Oceanographer
 
I dont like the way he handled any of the animals . He was too rough with them and stressed them out. Now the other guys that do the same type of show respect the animals and are way more professional in the way they handled the animal
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I remember an episode where Steve explained the reason he handled snakes the way he did. He did not believe it was EVER ok to hold a snake by its head to restrain it (im sure he was ok with milking) because he believed it damadged the animal. I never saw him do it either. I think in general, he was very aware of an animals limits and was very good at respecting where he found animals and why they acted the way he did.

Hopefuly people will learn from Steves death . There is a right and a wrong way to intereact with wildlife. The fact people have done wildlife shows for years and they are still alive and he is dead will show people that his way was dangerous and not proper.
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Steve died through a freak act of nature. The professional he was swimming with when Steve was stabbed said he saw a stingray stab upward like that only one other time. He was swimming around above a stingray. The public is not going to associate his normal actions with snakes and crocs with danger because he suddenly was stabbed by a stingray.

His actions on TV were no worse than those of other entertainers in similar settings. If a child gets hurt copying what they saw on TV, it is the parents fault. Either that parent didn't reinforce what actions are acceptable or used bad judgment in allowing a child to watch the show in the first place. If an adolescence or adult gets hurt, they made their own decision and their bad judgment would have presented itself in a similarly dangerous situation sooner or later.
 
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Yep, that's why he's probably still alive vinman, he's not willing to push the envelope to get his message accross, guarantee that's also probably not as many people have heard of him as they have of "Steve Irwin", again, an "Icon" of wildlife conservation...wow, how'd that go?...
 
the reason he is alive is he knows what he is doing . Jean-Michel Cousteau a professional oceanographer I'm sure he dont stick his nose where it dont belong you dont see him doing reptlie shows. Steve did not belong in the ocean doing a show about sea life .He had no bunisess doing that and should have left that for the oceanographer's to do. He got greedy starting do stuff that was not in his realm and died end of story . He did these shows for the money and fame ( yes he spread the word of conversation) but the bottom line is rattings and money . If he did not do it for the money he would have donated most of the profit to wildlife conversation groups. I'm sure gave some money to conversation But dont sit there and say he did it all for the animals . He made the movie and I'm sure most of the profit went to his pocket. The zoo that he owns is a privet zoo. Not like most zoos in this country . So bottom line he got greedy and paid the price. He should have stuck to doing reptiles that was his main profession.
 
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Greedy!? I never ever saw any sign he bought expensive stuff for himself..... did you see the program about the major pieces of land he bought for animals to live on?! Vast parts I tell you! He did do it for the money, to give it to the animals and to his zoo, where people where educated by entertaining them, 'end of story' as you would say it.... but hey, we might better stop this discussion cause you won't ever agree with me or the other way around, your posts are only smearing this thread...
 
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