Strawberry Mystery

[kimbyra]

Pumpkin?! There's a morph called a pumpkin? Thats gotta be new, or I've missed some good reading. SO.... Whats a pumpkin corn snake? What does it look like, etc?

 

[ecreipeoj]

Pumpkin?! There's a morph called a pumpkin? Thats gotta be new, or I've missed some good reading. SO.... Whats a pumpkin corn snake? What does it look like, etc?

Here is a photo that Don S sent me years ago. I believe all that Don told me about them was he bought them at a show and they were pretty. They look similar to a couple of the proven hypos, such as Christmas or our topic Strawberries.

There are “Yellow” Hypos, “Red” Hypos, and “Ultimate” Hypos and on and on, many of which are Ultras and/or most likely Hypos.

I got an email response from Carlos. He is going to check his records and get back to me. I sent him a reminder email and he responded, so I expect to get some results from his 2005 season soon. He reported that his het for Lava Blizzard female is full of eggs, so we might get to see another Lava Char this year, and his Hets for Lava Blood appear to need another year to produce. OH DARN!! I guess it is up to me.

 

[kimbyra]

Thanks! I learn something new everyday.

 

[ocboat]

Here is a photo that Don S sent me years ago. I believe all that Don told me about them was he bought them at a show and they were pretty. They look similar to a couple of the proven hypos, such as Christmas or our topic Strawberries.

Why is this snake assumed to be a type of hypo? Was it different from his clutch mates? I'm not doubting it, I'm just trying to determine what differentiates this snake from a very colorful normal or Okeetee phase.

 

[SODERBERGD]

Pumpkin corns. . .

Why is this snake assumed to be a type of hypo? Was it different from his clutch mates? I'm not doubting it, I'm just trying to determine what differentiates this snake from a very colorful normal or Okeetee phase.

Several years ago, when the Daytona show was in Orlando, some guys were selling corns they called "pumpkins". The picture Joe posted is one of those. Interestingly enough, as I think back, the babies I bought from those guys and the babies I get from the ones I raised up and bred, genetically behave like ultras. It's entirely possible one or some of those were actually ultras. I never test bred them and got bored with them. I probably have one or two sitting around here eating up my mice. I'll wade through the inventory and see if I have any. If I do, I'll breed them to ultramels next year to see what they may be. Maybe I already did that this year. I'll check the breeding roster when I get a chance.

About your question: Some hypos can have a great deal of black on them. The poster child for this is the hypo Honduran milks. Hence, snakes don't have to be pale and devoid of black to be hypos. Some are visually classic looking hypos while some are not. When it comes to corns, don't trust your eyes. Breeding trials are the only real ways to discover the heritability of many of our corn morphs. It's just like I tell people about ultramels. Don't buy them because of their looks. The real value in ultramels is the codominant genetics. Not that they don't have good looks, but often people expect an "ultramel" look. There isn't one. Some look like hypos and some are very nearly albino looking, with every look inbetween. There is no "type" look in ultramels. "Ultras"? I have no idea. There aren't enough identified ones to know what variety lurks in their genes. It's entirely possible that some (if not all) of the ones out there marketed as pumpkins are actually ultras. :shrugs:

Don
www.cornsnake.NET

 

[ecreipeoj]

Why is this snake assumed to be a type of hypo? Was it different from his clutch mates? I'm not doubting it, I'm just trying to determine what differentiates this snake from a very colorful normal or Okeetee phase.

I have actually never heard about other Pumpkins, but since they were sold at the Daytona Show, I am sure there are others around. I guess their name got them on the list, more than anything else.

Adult Hypos don’t jump out as you as being a hypo, but since Don told me it was a hypo and when I zoom in on the black areas of this corn in the large photo that I have, they have the off colored grayish color of other hypos, so I took it for granted that it was a hypo. It sounds like it is an Ultra and if it will produce an Ultramel when bred to an Amel then it is. It would be nice to close the case on the Pumpkins.

All of the different types of hypos that we have, jump out as you as being hypomelanistic when they are hatched, but they all darken up to some degree as they reach maturity. Some more than others, but they all darken a little. It seems as if Ultramels may vary more than any of the others, and would put them in the variable co-dominant class more than a co-dominant one.

 

[sprdonkey]

Strawberry x Ultramel or Candy Cane?

Has anybody to date tried this selectively bred morph with the super hypo Ultramel or another selective bred such as the Candy Cane? At the very least, just for fun, could you use its tendancy to be vivid to wow some already crayola grade colors?

 

[Shaky]

Could the strawberry line be a combo of two competing hypos with anery and amel in the mix? That means playing with 4 genes instead of 2, and Don has seen unexplained amels while others have seen unexplained anerys, but both in small ratios.
Whatever the hypos are, you might get a few ultras when you cross them, and a few hypo As(eg) when you cross them that way, but really hard to tell what's going on.
Just a thought as I read through this thread.

 

[KJUN]

Could the strawberry line be a combo of two competing hypos with anery and amel in the mix? That means playing with 4 genes instead of 2, and Don has seen unexplained amels while others have seen unexplained anerys, but both in small ratios.
Whatever the hypos are, you might get a few ultras when you cross them, and a few hypo As(eg) when you cross them that way, but really hard to tell what's going on.
Just a thought as I read through this thread.

I have actually wondered if the two color phases are (1) homozygous strawberry hypo and (2) homozygous HypoA and Strawberry Hypo. Serps is the one I suspect COULD be (no evidence to support it yet) option number 2. I've got 2 females like that. My two males are the "other" look that is more lava-like-ish. One of the other females is in-between those two looks, but she usually looks more like one phase than the other. The problem is that she looks like different phases (to me) on different days.....lol.

The amels aren't unexplained. Amels frequently pop out of hypo-like lines. Nothing unusualy there. The unexplained point with the aners are hypo-colored individuals are producing aners - not ghosts, but ANERS. What we are seeing is that a strawberry het aner bred to a strawberry het aner is giving us strawberries and TYPICAL looking dark aners. (This is like if you bred a HypoA to a HypoA and got aners instead of ghosts - it isn't what would be expected, right?)

Right now, I've got females gravid from the following pairs, and it SHOULD answer a few questions - or at least refine the questions enough so that I know better what crosses need to be done NEXT year:
*1.0 Strawberry het amel X 0.1 Strawberry het amel and anerA
*1.0 Strawberry het amel X 0.1 AnerA Strawberry (i.e., aner from 2 strawberry parents)
*1.0 Strawberry possible het amel & anerA X 0.1 Strawberry possible het amel & anerA
*1.0 HypoA Lavender X 0.1 Strawberry possible het amel & anerA
*1.0 Strawberry het amel X 0.1 AnerA het blizzard unrelated to the strawberry line

I'd like to do a Strawberry X Abbott's Okeetee to just get some normals het strawberry for comparison, but I think I got that female too late to breed her this year.

KJ

 

[The_Saiyajin]

HI there.
I am sorry to revive this threat, but I searched around at the forum and still did not find a clear answer about strawberry.
Can someone help me please, if this is a new hypo gen or something else?
Greetings
Chris

 

[TandJ]

I believe it was proved to be compatable with Hypo A... I could be wrong, but thats what I thought I heard.

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[The_Saiyajin]

I also heard a story that hypo a and strawberry is compatible, but I also heard that maybe christmas and strawberry is the same.
So I wanted to know for sure...

 

[amazondoc]

I'd love to know more about this myself. I'm recently addicted to pink corns. I've got a strawberry reverse Okeetee, and I'd like to find out about "compatibility" with SMR's coral snows or with the bubblegum snows.

 

[pgr8dnlvr]

I can't remember each point clearly enough to write it out on a forum, but I can say that if you give Don S. a call on the phone he'll be able to tell you a bit more about the strawberry gene. Poppycorns might be very helpful to, though I haven't spoken to her directly on the topic. I am pretty excited about what Don may have on the horizon

Rebecca

 

[TandJ]

If its compatable with Hypo A, what does that tell you? It tells you that its just a variant in the colouration inside the morph..

Not all bloods look the same, not all aneries look the same, not all amels look the same, not all snows are created the same, etc etc etc etc etc..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[diamondlil]

I know I've seen pictures of 'strawberry aneries' that look different to ghosts. Not so impressed with the Christmas aneries, although I'm hoping my Christmas blood project will prove different enough to pursue!

 

[TandJ]

I have seen Champange Snows that look different from Bubblegum Neon snows, that look different from Neon Snows, that look different from hypo snows, that look different from coral snows, that etc etc etc..

Thats my point Lil.. *s* There can be a hugh varience inside any given morph, and if its been proven compatable to Hypo A, so be it, its probably a Hypo A..


Heres a another fine example.. Both are Hypo A Lavenders.. *shrugs*

 

[dionythicus]

My Christmas hypo proved compatible with hypo A this past season. I bred a Christmas female to a bloodred male het hypo A. Both also proved to be het amel and I have two amels from the clutch that look different. I think one is a hypo amel. The normals in the clutch are easy to identify, but they are pretty red/orange. The hypos have wide variety in their looks, but most are really bright cherry red like mom. They had an orange streak from head to tail right out of the egg. I can't wait to get my first Christmas hypo bloodred or better yet, Christmas hypo amel bloodred.

I have two male Christmas aneries that look different to one another. One is more pink, the other more grey. We'll see how they look when they're finished growing up.

 

[diamondlil]

My Christmas hypo proved compatible with hypo A this past season. I bred a Christmas female to a bloodred male het hypo A. Both also proved to be het amel and I have two amels from the clutch that look different. I think one is a hypo amel. The normals in the clutch are easy to identify, but they are pretty red/orange. The hypos have wide variety in their looks, but most are really bright cherry red like mom. They had an orange streak from head to tail right out of the egg. I can't wait to get my first Christmas hypo bloodred or better yet, Christmas hypo amel bloodred.

I have two male Christmas aneries that look different to one another. One is more pink, the other more grey. We'll see how they look when they're finished growing up.

I know that the pigment cells did look different uhder the microscope, comparing the Christmas to the hypo a, and perhaps some ghosts etc have the strawberry or Christmas genes to account for the different colour washes seen? I'm hoping neither my Christmas hypo or the granite I bred to him have hypo a in their background to confuse the issue further for me. I can't wait for my first Christmas bloods either, fingers crossed for both of us!