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Stripe X Motley

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rickymcc

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hello im ricky.

i have just bred these corns.
the male was rev/okeetee het snow motley
the female was stripe het anery

i think the male is also het stripe!
but my bro was told on here last year his male is just het mot.

so im posting to see if you guys and gals on here
can tell me what are these weird hatchling all about.

thanks ricky.
 

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some more for yous.

thanks ricky.
 

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I think they're just all variations of the motley gene. I don't see any true stripes in there.
 
Joejr14 said:
I think they're just all variations of the motley gene. I don't see any true stripes in there.
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thanks for the reply.

so what your saying is they are all motley het stripe (the weird ones)?

no stripes
no cubes

thanks ricky.
 
Stripe and motley are allelic with each other. If you breed a stripe to a motley, you can end up with motleys, striped motleys, etc, but it's pretty hard to end up with a perfect stripe from this type of pairing. Although I do see one in your pics above that would qualify.
 
Invictus said:
Stripe and motley are allelic with each other. If you breed a stripe to a motley, you can end up with motleys, striped motleys, etc, but it's pretty hard to end up with a perfect stripe from this type of pairing. Although I do see one in your pics above that would qualify.
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thank you.

this is also what i was thinking.
i have many stripes in this clutch this is where
i started to think my bros male (rev/okeetee het snow motley)
is also het stripe.

i have based this purely on what i got.

to me its.

motleys het stripe
srtipes
motley stripe
cubes.

thanks again for your replys.

ricky.
 
One looks almost like a "true" stripe, but I suspect that it is just a "striped phase motley." BTW, your male can't be het for stripe AND motley - if it is not a motley or a stripe, it can only have ONE of those alleles since they occur on the same locus.

KJ
 
rickymcc said:
thank you.

this is also what i was thinking.
i have many stripes in this clutch this is where
i started to think my bros male (rev/okeetee het snow motley)
is also het stripe.

i have based this purely on what i got.

to me its.

motleys het stripe
srtipes
motley stripe
cubes.

thanks again for your replys.

ricky.
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What I think the hatchlings are,striped
motleys.There all het stripe.Is there cubes there too?
 
That one does look like a stripe to me, but it's not possible if the father is the same as for the other hatchlings. The only other thing is if the female was bred to a stripe last year and that one hatchling is a result of retained sperm. Otherwise, the non-normal patterned hatchlings are all motley het stripe...some having "typical" motley pattern, some have a striped motley pattern (pin-striped motley) Q-tipped motleys and combos of each. I do not see any cubes.
 
Susan said:
That one does look like a stripe to me, but it's not possible if the father is the same as for the other hatchlings. The only other thing is if the female was bred to a stripe last year and that one hatchling is a result of retained sperm. Otherwise, the non-normal patterned hatchlings are all motley het stripe...some having "typical" motley pattern, some have a striped motley pattern (pin-striped motley) Q-tipped motleys and combos of each. I do not see any cubes.
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You don't see cubed corns in pic's 1,4 and 5?
 
It all depends on what you call a "cubed motley." Some people will use that name as much as possible to re-name ANY slightly different motley to try an get a few more dollars for a snake. Me? Cubed should SHOUT it is a new morph when you see it - and those are kinda cubed, but nothing especially unique. Follow? They tend towards cube, but they aren't good enough IMO to be called cubeds. ...and the Q-tip terminology has never been warranted IMO.

KJ
 
NI GUY said:
You don't see cubed corns in pic's 1,4 and 5?
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I consider cubes to be a variant of striped, not motley. Those hatchlings have definite motley patterns on part of their body. What is happening to the rest of the pattern is like what you see in many stripes that lean towards the vanishing pattern stripes.

KJUN said:
...and the Q-tip terminology has never been warranted IMO.
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To each his own. Personally, it describes some of the motley patterns I get perfectly. To say the terminology is not warranted is to also say that "hurricane", "striped motley", "pastel" and any other adjective is also not warranted.
 
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Susan said:
To each his own. Personally, it describes some of the motley patterns I get perfectly.
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I understand that, but it has gotten to the point where almost every individual snake is getting its own morph name. No offense to whoever started calling that slightly different look by a new name, but it isn't a new.

If a motley could be reliably reproduced with 3+ Q-tip shapes on it and went by a unique name, it wouldn't bother me that much. However, I'm seeing oneswith a single shape like that going by a supposedly new name. That's just a little, um, extreme, don't you think?

Q-tip, banded, hurricane, etc. are all MOTLEY CORNS. It might describe the LOOK of a motley, but, in my opinion, are in no way "new morph names." Cubed motley was ORIGINALLY the same thing as a sunspot motley. Now, cubed just is used to try and tack a new name on "bad" stripe corns that aren't that unusual. I actually bought alot of cubed corns to start working with them, but I've lost interest. Only about 2 or 3 of the dozens and dozens of posts I've seen had what I wouldconsider a valid "cubed corn." Of these ones I've got, I wouldn't resale them as cubed corns, either. They just aren't extreme enough.

THAT'S the problem. Little differences do not (or at least SHOULD not) a new morph name make. If the images being posted now of cubed corns are what people mean TODAY by "cubed," then they are nothing special at all - just "bad" stripes that have ALWAYS been produced. That is upsetting, and a direction away from the original use of that term.

Even cubed motley is also being used to descrinbe "banded" motleys now. Grrrrr!

KJ
 
Susan said:
I consider cubes to be a variant of striped, not motley. Those hatchlings have definite motley patterns on part of their body. What is happening to the rest of the pattern is like what you see in many stripes that lean towards the vanishing pattern stripes.


Cubes is not only a variation on stripe as people have proved.Cubes
have been bred to motleys and stripes with more cubes being
reproduced.
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NI GUY said:
Cubes is not only a variation on stripe as people have proved.Cubes have been bred to motleys and stripes with more cubes being
reproduced.
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Well, "proved" is too strong of a word at this time, but I know what you are saying. I think we'll end up seeing that cubed is a variation in the expression of striped and/or motley - and nothing more. HOWEVER, what is making this hard is that "cubed" is being used to describes more than one thing at this time. I suspect, that if cubed is/was somethiung unique that could be inherited in a predictable pattern, that many of the things called cubed and look cubed are NOT cubed. Understand?

THAT is why I get so ticked off when anything it a somewhat similar pattern anomoly that has ALWAYS been in striped/motley lines is called a cubed.....and may not be a real cubed IF it is something different at all.

If, If, If.....
KJ
 
NI GUY said:
Cubes is not only a variation on stripe as people have proved.Cubes
have been bred to motleys and stripes with more cubes being
reproduced.
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I have not heard of that. I was under the impression that cubes originally occurred when 2 stripes are bred together with no motley gene being present. I've seen the sunspots and the look is different than what I've considered cubes. I was not aware that the sunspots were supposed to be the "original" cubes, nor that cubes can be produced when a stripe and a motley are bred.

In any case, none of the hatchlings posted in this particular thread are what I have been led to believe to be the cubed pattern.

KJUN said:
I understand that, but it has gotten to the point where almost every individual snake is getting its own morph name. No offense to whoever started calling that slightly different look by a new name, but it isn't a new.

If a motley could be reliably reproduced with 3+ Q-tip shapes on it and went by a unique name, it wouldn't bother me that much. However, I'm seeing oneswith a single shape like that going by a supposedly new name. That's just a little, um, extreme, don't you think?

Q-tip, banded, hurricane, etc. are all MOTLEY CORNS. It might describe the LOOK of a motley, but, in my opinion, are in no way "new morph names." Cubed motley was ORIGINALLY the same thing as a sunspot motley. Now, cubed just is used to try and tack a new name on "bad" stripe corns that aren't that unusual. I actually bought alot of cubed corns to start working with them, but I've lost interest. Only about 2 or 3 of the dozens and dozens of posts I've seen had what I wouldconsider a valid "cubed corn." Of these ones I've got, I wouldn't resale them as cubed corns, either. They just aren't extreme enough.

THAT'S the problem. Little differences do not (or at least SHOULD not) a new morph name make. If the images being posted now of cubed corns are what people mean TODAY by "cubed," then they are nothing special at all - just "bad" stripes that have ALWAYS been produced. That is upsetting, and a direction away from the original use of that term.

Even cubed motley is also being used to descrinbe "banded" motleys now. Grrrrr!
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I totally agree. I use the terminology strictly as an adjective to describe a certain look. I produce quite a few motleys, with and without being het stripe (which is why I am careful how I label my snakes) and often, a buyer has a particular preference in the look of their potential new snake. It can make selecting just the right hatchling easier if I know that someone really likes a more "normal/typical" motley pattern or a more "striped", "Q-tipped", "dot-dot-dash", or whatever motley pattern. But genetically, I have motleys, stripes or motleys het stripe...nothing more. I put these descriptive names in the same catagory as describing my zigzags as either zigzags or aztec or some of each.
 
Susan said:
I was under the impression that cubes originally occurred when 2 stripes are bred together with no motley gene being present.
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Well, you can apparently get them from animals het stripe, too, whether they are motley or normals het stripe. I'm sure you knew that and just meant no cubes come from parents that have one or more copies of the motley allele. I was just clarifying, but the "cubed" LOOK, if you use that term losely, seems to be in more than just homozygous stripes. I'm not saying those should be called cubes....

Susan said:
In any case, none of the hatchlings posted in this particular thread are what I have been led to believe to be the cubed pattern.
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I agree with that, BUT I've seen ones that look less cubed than that CALLED cubes......

Susan said:
I totally agree. I use the terminology strictly as an adjective to describe a certain look. I produce quite a few motleys, with and without being het stripe (which is why I am careful how I label my snakes) and often, a buyer has a particular preference in the look of their potential new snake. It can make selecting just the right hatchling easier if I know that someone really likes a more "normal/typical" motley pattern or a more "striped", "Q-tipped", "dot-dot-dash", or whatever motley pattern. But genetically, I have motleys, stripes or motleys het stripe...nothing more. I put these descriptive names in the same catagory as describing my zigzags as either zigzags or aztec or some of each.
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Great points!
KJ
 
hi all and thanks for the replys.

i dont think this thread has gone to far on the info side!

it seems to me that some are playing the guessing game :confused:

i have just got another cluch hatch out with

normal motleys
amel motleys
amel motley stripe
amel stripes
amel Q tips(head to tail)

this is from the same male to a normal motley.

thanks to anyone who can shed any light on this.

ricky.
 
Stripe Motley

Stripe Motley can imitate a striped! Close but NOT.
 

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