Striped Bloodred Question

[starsevol]

I have 3 05s that are the result of an accidental breeding between an amel stripe and a bloodred. One is an amel stripe and the other 2 are orangey reddish stripes that hatched with grey heads. I am operating on the assumption that they are normal stripes het for bloodred even though the amel stripe mother *could* have been het for bloodred. I had posted about this last year and asked how you would tell the difference between a normal stripe and a bloodred stripe. Serpwidgets answered me and said I would have to do a test breeding back to a bloodred. He said if there were no normals in the clutch, then I indeed have a bloodred stripe. (BTW, thank you Chuck).
Today I started playing with the genetic calculator. Both of the normal stripes appear to be female so I went to the calculator and theoretically bred them back to their father. Since one of the 3 was an amel and all 3 were stripes it seems he is a bloodred het amel and het stripe. I entered the babies in as normal stripes het for bloodred and amel. I got.....
3/16 Normal het.Bloodred Stripe 66% poss.het. Amelanistic
3/16 Bloodred het.Stripe 66% poss.het. Amelanistic
1/16 Amelanistic het.Bloodred Stripe
3/16 Stripe het.Bloodred 66% poss.het. Amelanistic
1/16 Bloodred Amelanistic het.Stripe
3/16 Bloodred Stripe 66% poss.het. Amelanistic
1/16 Stripe Amelanistic het.Bloodred
1/16 Bloodred Stripe Amelanistic

If you look at the outcome, only the 3/16 normal babies would show belly checkers. Neither bloodreds or stripes show bellycheckers. And the 1/16 amel babies could occur even if the striped female was a bloodred het for amel. Is there any other way of knowing the difference between a normal stripe and a bloodred stripe?
I know statistically in an average sized clutch 1 or 2 normals with checkered bellies are bound to show up....but also statistically I never should have had all 3 eggs contain stripes. They were the only 3 that hatched.

 

[Serpwidgets]

Ya, in order to test the females it would be better to use a bloodred/diffused male that is not carrying motley or stripe, so that you could evaluate a larger number of hatchlings. (If you get motleys or stripes, then you really don't know if those motley or striped individuals are bloods or not.)

If you cross them back to dad who is het stripe, you'd need to accept the "loss" that you won't know what the resulting striped offspring are.

But, if you get a significant number of non-striped offspring (through several breedings if necessary) and all of them have plain bellies, then the statistics will still show that female is homozygous. The trick is that you will only have half as many hatchlings going toward your statistical proof.

 

[starsevol]

I also have the babies uncle, another bloodred.
I do not know whether or not he is het stripe.

I plan to register the whole mess with the ACR

 

[starsevol]

That is a picture of one of them in my avatar, Katrina.

I guess my next question is, if they ARE normal het blood and amel (which they probably are), what would I have to do to produce bloodred stripes that I KNOW are bloodred stripes?
I would probably have to sell 100% of the stripes as normals het blood...and breed either the blood offspring or amel blood offspring together....then 1/4 of them are definately striped bloods?

No wonder no one but Rich Hume has striped bloods!

 

[Serpwidgets]

Hehe, yep, the way to be sure is to have bloods het stripe and breed them together.

 

[SevierSerpents]

No wonder no one but Rich Hume has striped bloods!

That's exactly where my 1.2 pair came from. As well as Jynx' 1.1

:shrugs:

 

[starsevol]

But...if my girl Sangria is het for stripe like her brother...I WILL have striped bloods this year.