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"The Grey"

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I found plenty more info. Not only were the wolves trapped and sold already dead to the director, he actually had the cast and crew EAT the wolf meat to experience it. I don't like trapping, I really resent killing wolves for any reason, but to cook and eat their meat just to get the taste is vile and repulsive. Hey, let's film the Donner Party, we all know what they ate.
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Today I was a butcher and they had a chicken breast stuffed and breaded. I decided to get that just to see if it was any good. It was. Very tasty indeed.

I ate it just to get the taste of it.

According to dionythicus, that is vile and repulsive. I'm not sure who is being intellectually dishonest more. Dionythicus, or you, Camby.

Wait, no. If either or both of you eat solely to survive and never eat anything because it tastes good that requires the death of a living thing, then I owe you both apologies. Here, I'll even good faith it:

I apologize for misunderstanding your point that it is wrong to find out what something that was once alive, or even still may be alive, tastes like.
 
Wow, you are full of yourself, aren't you?

My OPINION is that it is vile to eat an animal that would not otherwise come anywhere near our daily menu. If you have a problem with that, so be it. Hell, I'm down with trying human flesh, where do you draw your line?
 
Camby said:
Regarding the eating of the wolf meat, I wonder where they were killed and if the meat was purchased? If in the US and sold, then it is illegal to sell game meat.

Good luck in your studies and endeavors. We raised wolves for a long time but no longer do (Labs and snakes now). Wolves take an incredible amount of work and patience.

dc
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It does not directly say where they bought it from, however I imagine that it was in the US. I think that the director bought four whole wolves, two of which were eaten by the cast, and two of which were used in the film.

Thank you for the kind words. I am sure that wolves are a lot of work! I have been down to Mission:Wolf a couple of times and arrived as they were butchering a horse to feed- that is a lot of work! Even with an entire boy scout troop helping! I am very excited to start doing my internships for my program to get more hands on experience.
 
dionythicus said:
Wow, you are full of yourself, aren't you?

My OPINION is that it is vile to eat an animal that would not otherwise come anywhere near our daily menu. If you have a problem with that, so be it. Hell, I'm down with trying human flesh, where do you draw your line?
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Well, I'm definitely not okay with cannibalism, but 'our' daily menu?

How do you define 'our'?
 
srsb said:
AliCat--- Have you ever visited W.O.L.F. Sanctuary in La Porte, CO?
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I volunteered there for 4 years. Strange founders, but the experience was amazing. (sorry for the crappy image, it was taken with film then scanned, remember those days!) I even got to meet Jeff Corwin when he went there and filmed an episode. I have it on.. TAPE! lol

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Ive also met Dr. Mech and have gotten his autograph on one of his wolf books. He is an amazing man!!

Wolves are why I got into wildlife biology. My focus in college shifted to birds, but I still have a passion for wolves. They just absolutely fascinate me. And the amount of misinformation out there about them is just astounding.
 
Oh wow! I had no idea they did something like that. How stupid and pointless!

I saw previews and thought "Oh lord, not this again." I didn't really think people believed that wolves where bloodthirsty killers or would go out of their way to attack people though. Do people really think that?

And in regards to this:
Nova_C said:
Yes. People killing something to eat it are vile and repulsive.

Good lord, humanity doesn't exist without us killing something to munch on it. But hey, you ride your high horse in the sunset.
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I'm upset because the total and 100% avoidable death of animals. APEX predators, none the less. In an ecosystem, you CANNOT hunt predators in the same numbers that you hunt prey animals. Not to mention the fact that these where intelligent, caring, social animals that feel and had emotions. So whenever I hear about wolf hunting, it makes me very upset. Then to consume them is just disgusting to me. But hey, I'm a vegan so the consumption of flesh and breast milk gross me out and sadden me regardless.
 
Honest question, Vicky:

How do you feel about predators with you being a vegan? Is mankind the only predator that is wrong for killing and eating other animals? Why or why not?

This is something about the choice of vegetarianism and veganism that I've never really understood.
 
ratsncorns said:
I volunteered there for 4 years. Strange founders, but the experience was amazing. (sorry for the crappy image, it was taken with film then scanned, remember those days!) I even got to meet Jeff Corwin when he went there and filmed an episode. I have it on.. TAPE! lol

Ive also met Dr. Mech and have gotten his autograph on one of his wolf books. He is an amazing man!!

Wolves are why I got into wildlife biology. My focus in college shifted to birds, but I still have a passion for wolves. They just absolutely fascinate me. And the amount of misinformation out there about them is just astounding.
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How awesome! They certainly did have an interesting start lol.
I have a few of Dr. Mech's books, they are a very good read. I understand how interests switch back and forth! I always had an interest in wolves (since I was really little- like 5) and through high school I thought I wanted to be a vet, but that was too much for me once I volunteered at my local vet office. Once I had gotten through my freshman year at CSU I realized that I wanted to work directly with wolves, and recently I've decided that I really want to work alongside ranchers in Wyoming to help prevent cattle depredation, while running a small rescue for educational tours. This is all my dream, nonetheless, but I will find a way to make it happen!

If you've never checked out Mission: Wolf, definitely do so!
http://www.missionwolf.com/
 
Yeah I have checked out their site. I wish I could volunteer!

I read a book years and years ago (early teens maybe?) about a wolf biologist (it was a fiction novel) and it mentioned CSU as being the best school to go to for wildlife bio. It stuck in my brain for years. I wanted to be a vet as well but quickly figured out I really didnt want to (I even almost enlisted in the Army as an animal care specialist - vet - but thats another story). My passion was with the outdoors, and conservation and management. I enrolled at CSU and started volunteering at the Rocky Mountain Raptor Program (www.rmrp.org). A lot of vet students volunteer there! I got a ton of medical experience and handling experience with raptors. I was there 7 years. That and ornithology was what made me shift. CSU is a great school!!
 
hahaha! I volunteered there too! CSU is a great school. I couldn't handle the chemistry involved with the zoology program though, so I ended up switching to my local community college. Their zoology program works directly with the zoo and one of my teacher's runs her own raptor rescue. Since my new school is so close to the zoo it allows me time to volunteer there, and I got to see them bring in their new Mexican Grey Wolf a few weeks back, it was awesome! I am thinking about doing at least one of my internships at Cheyenne Mountain Zoo and another at the wolf and wildlife center.
 
AliCat37 said:
hahaha! I volunteered there too! CSU is a great school. I couldn't handle the chemistry involved with the zoology program though, so I ended up switching to my local community college. Their zoology program works directly with the zoo and one of my teacher's runs her own raptor rescue. Since my new school is so close to the zoo it allows me time to volunteer there, and I got to see them bring in their new Mexican Grey Wolf a few weeks back, it was awesome! I am thinking about doing at least one of my internships at Cheyenne Mountain Zoo and another at the wolf and wildlife center.
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Was the Mexican Grey a rescue from another facility or someone's pet? Were there any major differences in it's behavior versus North America Greys?

My cousin attends CSU but I have no clue what she is majoring in, I know it isn't anything to do with wildlife though.

dc
 
Camby said:
Was the Mexican Grey a rescue from another facility or someone's pet? Were there any major differences in it's behavior versus North America Greys?

My cousin attends CSU but I have no clue what she is majoring in, I know it isn't anything to do with wildlife though.

dc
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Oh no, the Mexican Grey Wolf is at the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo. He is part of the SSP program, so he is definitely not someone's pet. The Mexican Grey Wolves, or Lobos, are a bit smaller than the ones found farther north (however both inhabit the Rockies in the US- Mexican Greys are just further south from Mexico to Arizona/New Mexico). As far as I know, there is no behavioral differences between Lobos and Greys, the Lobos are much smaller, about the size of a German Shepherd, but their diets, family life, and hunting habits remain the same.
 
Nova_C said:
Honest question, Vicky:

How do you feel about predators with you being a vegan? Is mankind the only predator that is wrong for killing and eating other animals? Why or why not?

This is something about the choice of vegetarianism and veganism that I've never really understood.
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Animals are not capable of making choices based on morality. They have no concept of it. We do. I am not against killing animals, I am against animal cruelty in all forms. The laws regarding livestock/poultry/fishing are extremely lax and allow a disturbingly large amount of cruelty. I don't even like to think about the people out there that aren't even following those laws (which are bound to be out there)

If you want to discuss veganism I'd be glad to via pm as not to derail this thread haha.
 
Hmm. Are animals able to make choices based on morality? I read one article where scientists did an experiment on rats. In the experiment, they made a rat watch another rat being electrocuted. The rat who watched was given food afterwards. The experiment was then done again, and the rat who watched was given the choice of getting food and seeing its friend electrocuted or not getting food and not having the other rat be electrocuted. The rats chose not to take the food, even though they were hungry, to save the other rat pain. Does that not prove morality? If it doesn't, then what does?

Article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/5373379/Animals-can-tell-right-from-wrong.html
 
anerybree said:
Hmm. Are animals able to make choices based on morality? I read one article where scientists did an experiment on rats. In the experiment, they made a rat watch another rat being electrocuted. The rat who watched was given food afterwards. The experiment was then done again, and the rat who watched was given the choice of getting food and seeing its friend electrocuted or not getting food and not having the other rat be electrocuted. The rats chose not to take the food, even though they were hungry, to save the other rat pain. Does that not prove morality? If it doesn't, then what does?

Article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/5373379/Animals-can-tell-right-from-wrong.html
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Expressing empathy is not comparable to all out morality, I think. And in some of those cases, like the monkey putting the coin in the slot so the other monkey could get food the monkey was getting something out of it. Appreciation from the female monkey. Essentially like a "You do me a solid I'll do you a solid." Which is seen in many animals.

I do find that article interesting though and it drives home the fact that many animals are very emotional.
 
I love wolves, they are one of my favorite animals. How ever they ARE a predator and to say they wont attack is like saying a bear will not attack, it is a top of the chain predator.

I haven't read all the posts in here, but We had a teacher that was killed by a pack of 5 (Pack family, what ever they are in a group) wolves just 2 years ago up here. She was out jogging and was attacked not far from her home. They can and may and have attacked, it is how ever uncommon. I also know for a fact just over in Anchorage there were 5 separate packs ranging from 4-8 wolves in each that were attacking and killing peoples pet dogs and cats right in front of them while out jogging and in their own back yards.

I agree that wolves have gained a rep that is way way extreme but to say that they wont attack is not true. Again they are an Apex predator.

Please do not say that they haven't and wont attack because that is not true, but yes you run a higher chance of being struck by lightning.

I also personally know a guy who actually had a wolf try to run him down on his snowmachine just outside of Willow Alaska. Even he said he was shocked, he had never had that happen. But again, it is the top predator in Alaska second to MAYBE the brown bear.

I actually had the chance a few times to see a wolves in the wild and they wanted nothing to do with me but that doesnt mean I would drop my guard around them either.
 
But, due to them being an apex predator, there are also far less numbers of them, therefore the risk is extremely low. People are just drama llamas. And are afraid of everything these days. From gluten to aspirin. Heck a friend of mine in Colorado refused to come to my house because he was afraid of birds. Yes, even of my little conure! Thought he would attack him and eat his eyeballs. Im NOT kidding.

I work outdoors, sometimes in areas with high concentrations of mountain lions and bears. Did it bother me? No. Did I see them? Yes. Its all about being aware and being cautious. But every one I ever encountered ran away from me, really fast! .
 
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