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The mystery hobbit.. One of my snakey children.

Crowskin

Crowskin

...as the crow flies...
So this is my sweety named Hobbit. It's my second corn and I purchased the little one as a Zig Zag. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what color phase to consider her. She seems to lack any real strong reds, but has strong browns and hints of orange and yellow. (note in the picture, he looks a bit redder then he normally is.)

It's a very gentle natured thing, but the poor little guy has some minor feeding issues. (been force feeding under vet recommendations.)

So.. anyone got a clue what I call this little one? *giggles* My other corn is easier, she's a large red albino. I'll post a pic of her later maybe. (she was sexed, this one we still aren't sure. It's a mystery hobbit!)

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Oh, and by the way everyone, Hello :) this is my first post.

Keep safe!
-Crow
 
Can it really be a normal since its saddle rings are not black but rather dark rusty red? Same with the checkers underneath, come to think of it... but I don't know much about coor phases. : - /






He is a motely though, right? Did I get half of it right? :grin:
 
Not all normals have black around their saddles. This is even more common in the pattern mutations (motley.stripe and zigzag). Here are some examples of a normal motley, normal stripe, 2 normal zigzags and a normal (poss. banded):
 
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2 of my normals have very little black on thier saddles.
here's a couple pics for you to see how much different normals can be from each other.
 
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It could be a hypo, just a dark one...The belly checkers kind of suggest it, and it could explain the lack of borders on the saddles...
 
Susan said:
Not all normals have black around their saddles. This is even more common in the pattern mutations (motley.stripe and zigzag).
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Then can a hypo be identified by phenotype as an adult?

I love Hobbit's pattern, BTW.

Nanci
 
Thank you guys! You were a lot of help. Yeah Hobbits a sweet little darling, though I have to ask Joejr14, how can you tell it's a male by the picture? I heard that you can judge by the tail size, the length in difference between males and females? Just curious, it would be lovely if Hobbit indeed was (we haven't got the little one sexed yet, and my big girl was sexed a little while ago.)

Anyway thank you all so much. It does look like it's probably a normal color, though Hobbit definitly verges more on the browns and ruddy colors rather then the bright red saddles. Definitly a cute one in my opinon though. :)

Keep safe everyone!

-Crow
 
I think JoeJr guessed male because the tail is relatively long, without a distinct sharp tapering right behind the vent. Females don't need room to store the hemipenes, males do. If you imagine anatomically what's happening inside the tail, you can guess the sex. Of course, you may be wrong! There have been plenty of anecdotes here lately about snakes that wouldn't hook up for years at a time, but then were placed with one of the same sex for whatever reason, and voila!

Nanci
 
Heh, thanks Nanci :)

Yeah Hobbits only my second corn, and still getting used to all the little words of wisdom I'm hearing about things like that. Definitly something I'll keep an eye on. (i'm waiting for Hobbit to get a little larger before getting em checked by my vet.)

The little guy is not a good feeder at all (unfortunately I learned the hard way to check very carefully how well they feed Before you bring them home) but I'm still working hard with the little guy! My vet recommended trying him outside in the sun for a little while in the spring and summer months. So the natural UV may kickstart it's little instincts.

Corns.. the darn things really ARE addictive..
*smirks*

-Crow
 
A couple simple things to try for feeding are:

Make sure the prey is very warm. Like 101-103F. You can get a metal probe meat thermometer at the grocery store for like $9 to test the water temp.

Cut 2-4 slits, just through the skin, in the back of the prey. It will smell more to the snake, and will be easier to digest, too.

Put the snake in a small feeding container (with air holes!!) with the prey, maybe covered, maybe in a darkened room, and just leave it alone for several hours! I have one snake who will take up to four or five hours to decide to feed. If I gave up after 30 minutes, she'd never eat.

Nanci
 
Thanks for the suggestions,

I've tried a lot of things on this poor little guy. Tried braining (that was.. just gross) tried live, tried leaving it in a small container with it overnight, tried even cutting the little head off for it! So I'm up to forcefeeding to keep the little guy alive for a little while. (yeah, under vet recommendations and stuff. Would never forcefeed otherwise, it's too hard on them.)

So yeah, you know I'm going to take your suggestion about warming up the little pinky a touch more then I usually do and see if that helps! Hopefully it does, Hobbit is just so lovely and even seems to -like- being handled. So want to make sure I give em the best chance possible.

I'm also going to cruise through the feeding forum here, see if theres something I haven't tried yet.

Thanks again for all your help :)

-Crow
 
one thing to try

Try washing the prey with ivory or typical dial soap.
Thaw the prey item as usual, wash with a mild soap such as the two mentioned, rince thoroughly and place the prey item an snake in a new small container such as a deli dish.
Leave them alone for a couple of hours and then check to see how it goes.
worked for me with several non feeders.
 
Thank you Jimmy,

I decided to try your advice and actually just set it up now. I warmed the pinky (a touch more then I usually do, to follow Nanci's suggestion) then washed it with gentle dove soap, rinsed it off real well then tossed it and Hobbit into a deli container (with lotsa small holes at the top so I make sure poor little guy doesn't suffocate) and I also used a few towels to cover up the terrarium incase the poor guy has stage fright.

*fingers crossed*

Lets hope the silly guy takes the hint and eats it this time! Heh, I'll post the results after a few hours.

Wish me luck!

-Crow
 
One other thing I would suggest. I don't know how often you are trying to feed Hobbit.

But if you haven't already. Try not to attempt to feed but every 5 or 6 days. If you attempt to often Hobbit may become desensitized to feeding. Good luck!
 
Hiya Snakemom (cute nick by the way :) )

Yeah I feed him once every 7 days. And I've even skipped a week or two before, to try and get him hungry enough to go for it (again I stress I made sure this would be okay with my vet first, who has even owned corns himself before.) but no luck. My other corn, also eats fine on a once a week timing, and she's a large healthy Amelanistic corn. She's actually nearing 4 foot I believe.

I got them both from the same petstore, but upon talking to them later about the feeding problem they mentioned they've had babies from the breeder since Hobbit which are just bad eaters.

Questioning my vet about it, we've come to the theory that there may be a sort of genetic 'bad eater' trait with some of the corns from the breeder the store works with.

Which is a good lesson, but doesn't help out my poor baby. So I'll just continue to work with em. Hoping this trick will work honestly. I just peeked in and noticed he's smelling the pinky, *crosses fingers again, on other hand.. just to be sure!*

-Crow
 
Nanci said:
Then can a hypo be identified by phenotype as an adult?

Nanci
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Some hypos can be identified by phenotype as an adult. It really all depends upon the particular snake. Hypos can have thick bands around the saddles or virtually no bands, just like normals, amels, anerys, etc. It's the color of the bands that will differ, as well as the color of the belly checks, in most cases. There are some exceptions. Some hypos can appear darker and look more like a normal, just like some normals can appear much lighter and look like a hypo. In those cases, when the genetics are not factually known, that breeding trials are needed to identify the exact morph. Here are some examples of adult known-for -a-fact hypos (last one is a hypo motley). And sorry for the minor off-topic hi-jacking!
 
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Update: Nope he didn't go for it. Looks like I'll have to try something else another time. Thanks anyway guys *hugs*

And no worries, Susan, you were technically on topic anyway :) so no hijacking.

-Crow
 
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