The (Q) + (A) thread! (Use it!!) :P

[Jdizzyfizzy]

the rat pups are the size of pinkys, well just abit bigger, so hes on one of them a week, i was thinking of feeding 2x a week but people told me not to on here, hes only 2 therefor i think he should be on 2 a week cuzz when there on pinkys they get 2 a week and rat pups aint to much bigger then a pinky ontop of that the next day i dont see any lumps :/

 

[cornsnakekid92]

you shousl be feeding pret iteams that are 1 to 1.5 times as bi asround as you snake is! there should be a visable lump for like 24 hours

 

[Jdizzyfizzy]

yea 1 of them is as thick as him but i dont see a lump :/

 

[Roy Munson]

I think the reason so many questions are posted over and over is that people are getting mixed messages, such as feeding, I have personally been told by people on this forum that hatchlings should be fed twice per week. That would mean a 3 day and 4 day feeding shedual until they are ready for larger food items. And yet other people say 5-7 days is the correct way to feed hatchlings. I think the problem is that feed requirements are specific for each individual. I'm not saying that the givin information is incorrect, just trying to help people understand why the search is not always very helpful and why people feel the need to post thier own threads. (IMO )

I see your point, but there are always going to be differing opinions on hatchling feeding, or any other husbandry topic for that matter. Posting a new thread on a tired, old topic will not get you closer to some sort of "universal truth". Most of the informed veteran keepers no longer answer these kinds of questions, having already done so in many past threads. Ask a question now, and you're likely to get answers from far less experienced keepers. Why would you do that?

At the risk of sounding snobbish, I have to say that I'm disappointed in the way this forum is going right now. We have dozens of people with a single snake that they've had for two months offering uninformed opinions on a range of topics. We also have dozens of new members asking the same old questions that have been answered a thousand times. Few seem to be reading the FAQs, or using the "search" function, or even applying a little common sense. Kathy Love's guides alone answer very close to 100% of ALL basic husbandry questions.

I know that a lot of people here like to think of their snake(s) as "special", with "special" needs, but I assure you that this isn't the case. I think that they just want us all to discuss their "special" snake, despite the fact that all aspects of corn care have been covered here ad nauseum. It gets pretty darned boring...

 

[jazzgeek]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Roy Munson again."

Well said, Dean. It's not about being a cranky old man, it's not about "owning" someone, it's about the quality of information.

Read the FAQs, first and foremost. Lurk for a while before you post; shoot, I was here for two to three months, absorbing information, before I asked a question that I couldn't find by first doing the legwork.

To basically take questions from the FAQs already posted and reformat them into the "The New And Improved (Q) and (A) Super Duper Thread-a-rama!!!" is merely a hackneyed attempt to reinvent the wheel.

regards,
jazz

 

[ghosthousecorns]

At the risk of sounding snobbish, I have to say that I'm disappointed in the way this forum is going right now. We have dozens of people with a single snake that they've had for two months offering uninformed opinions on a range of topics. We also have dozens of new members asking the same old questions that have been answered a thousand times. Few seem to be reading the FAQs, or using the "search" function, or even applying a little common sense. Kathy Love's guides alone answer very close to 100% of ALL basic husbandry questions.

I know that a lot of people here like to think of their snake(s) as "special", with "special" needs, but I assure you that this isn't the case. I think that they just want us all to discuss their "special" snake, despite the fact that all aspects of corn care have been covered here ad nauseum. It gets pretty darned boring...

I have noticed though that many of the more experienced keepers no longer post much here. And who does that leave? New people who have questions. Yes, using the search is good, yes there is a lot to be learned by reading old threads. Everybody who is new should research before asking questions and avoid the ad nauseum repetitiveness.
This being said, there IS another forum that is just for for 'advanced' keepers where you won't have to deal with basic questions. AFAIK this forum here is still for everybody, including people who only have one corn for two months.(nothing wrong with that)
Every snake is special to its owner, there's just no need to read or reply to their posts if they do not interest you. Lighten up a little! :shrugs:

 

[Jdizzyfizzy]

yea, ive read alot of old threads, ive spent hours reading them, ive read faqs and everything, but the faq mainly consists of one persons oppinon and the welfare of my snake needs more then one appinion however skilled the person is with corn snakes, give me some credit, all i want is the best for damien.

 

[jazzgeek]

yea, ive read alot of old threads, ive spent hours reading them, ive read faqs and everything, but the faq mainly consists of one persons oppinon and the welfare of my snake needs more then one appinion however skilled the person is with corn snakes, give me some credit, all i want is the best for damien.

By what logic do you conclude that the FAQ is "one person's opinion"? Because it was typed by one person? Sorry, that's utterly wrong.

I'm also skeptical of your claim that you've read a lot of old threads, and that you've "read faqs and everything". If that were the case, your "Pink" thread would have been better titled "Blue", and you'd know why.

And I do give you credit for your enthusiasm, and your desire to do what's best for your snake. I don't think that I'm the first to tell you, however, that the enthusiasm needs to be tempered with prudence and research.

regards,
jazz

 

[Roy Munson]

I have noticed though that many of the more experienced keepers no longer post much here. And who does that leave? New people who have questions. Yes, using the search is good, yes there is a lot to be learned by reading old threads. Everybody who is new should research before asking questions and avoid the ad nauseum repetitiveness.
This being said, there IS another forum that is just for for 'advanced' keepers where you won't have to deal with basic questions. AFAIK this forum here is still for everybody, including people who only have one corn for two months.(nothing wrong with that)
Every snake is special to its owner, there's just no need to read or reply to their posts if they do not interest you. Lighten up a little! :shrugs:

I respect your opinion on this Jen, and your right to present it. It's unfortunate that you don't seem to regard my opinion with the same respect. You tell me to "lighten up", and I say to you: "get serious". My view on this is that we are all responsible for steering this board in the direction that we'd like it to take. I would really like the discussions here to be elevated to another level. The only way for my goal to be attained is by posting my opinions. I take this hobby seriously. You may like questions about "snakie poopies", and "how often should I feed Snookums", but I'm tired of them. You may promote the idea of buying pets first, and doing your research later, but I do not. You've given me the option of putting up with this, or getting out like many other veteran members have. I don't think I need to conform to your idea of how this place should be in order for me to stay (and vice versa, of course). But thanks for the ultimatum.

And to clarify, I have no problem with the fact that someone has only had a corn snake for two months. But if this is the case, they may want to refrain from making life or death suggestions based on their limited experience.

And I still answer a lot of questions around here-- at least as many as you do, if not more. So I'm still doing my part.

 

[Jdizzyfizzy]

i'am not stupid, i know they go blue, i was just wondering why he was going pink and the faqs doesent tell that, and if ur gona carry on coming onto my threads making them dull then dont, just go to somone elses, i want people who like helping not who like flaming. thanks.

regards,
george.

 

[jazzgeek]

i'am not stupid,

I never claimed you were. Matter of fact, in the "Pink" thread, I stated that I didn't think that was the case.

i know they go blue, i was just wondering why he was going pink and the faqs doesent tell that,

Ah, but some searching threads would have shown you that Amelanistics don't completely turn "blue" as they begin the shed process.

Do me and yourself a favor. You have an Amel. It's shedding. Use the search function and look for. oh, a thread entitled "Amel shedding".

And with that, you'll have your answer. Trust me on this. The search function is your friend.

and if ur gona carry on coming onto my threads making them dull then dont,

Dull? Moi? Keep trying, Skippy.

just go to somone elses, i want people who like helping not who like flaming. thanks.

Well, given that I led you to an answer (really, SEARCH for a thread entitled "Amel shedding"), and haven't flamed you, you're more than welcome.

regards,
george.

Hack.

regards,
jazz

 

[Jdizzyfizzy]

Well, i'am not trying to be mean or anything at all, i know ur trying to help but i guess i'am just a little snappy, if i was to say sorry then people would flame me saying this guy keeps annoying ppl and saying sorry so for the benifit of us all i'am not going to say sorry "hidden sorry" and yea i might annoy people but mabie thats the way i'am and Cs.com welcomes everyone it doesent say "welcomes everyone exept annoying ppl" so yea, hellllllo i'am george.

Regards,
George.

 

[ghosthousecorns]

I respect your opinion on this Jen, and your right to present it. It's unfortunate that you don't seem to regard my opinion with the same respect. You tell me to "lighten up", and I say to you: "get serious". My view on this is that we are all responsible for steering this board in the direction that we'd like it to take. I would really like the discussions here to be elevated to another level. The only way for my goal to be attained is by posting my opinions. I take this hobby seriously. You may like questions about "snakie poopies", and "how often should I feed Snookums", but I'm tired of them. You may promote the idea of buying pets first, and doing your research later, but I do not. You've given me the option of putting up with this, or getting out like many other veteran members have. I don't think I need to conform to your idea of how this place should be in order for me to stay (and vice versa, of course). But thanks for the ultimatum.

And to clarify, I have no problem with the fact that someone has only had a corn snake for two months. But if this is the case, they may want to refrain from making life or death suggestions based on their limited experience.

And I still answer a lot of questions around here-- at least as many as you do, if not more. So I'm still doing my part.

I tried to word my reply so you'd know I agree with your point (that the questions do get old)
However I felt you did put it across rather harshly- Well, as you would say, curmudgeonly. I feel telling a newbie their snake is nothing special is going just a bit too far. I didn't tell you to get out, and I think if you left it would be a detriment to this site. If it came across as an ultimatum that wasn't the way I intended it, so I'm sorry. Truce?
I know we have differing views on replies to newbies. I feel that everyone was new at some point and has made a mistake or two. I don't mind helping people to be able to take the best care of their snake just as others helped me when I was new. I wasn't the model new snake owner either, I made mistakes such as cohabbing and feeding on substrate and I am grateful to those who had the patience to set me straight even though they had heard it a million times before. I do not recall ever posting anywhere how it's ok to get a snake first and research later but perhaps you could enlighten me.
As for the amount of posts and replies I make to newbies and others, I do try and contribute, I have been busy lately and today is the first day in a while I have even really sat down to read the forums. I am seeing a lot of new 'faces' who I want to feel welcome, and missing a lot of old 'faces' as well.

 

[Hypancistrus]

At the risk of sounding snobbish, I have to say that I'm disappointed in the way this forum is going right now. We have dozens of people with a single snake that they've had for two months offering uninformed opinions on a range of topics. We also have dozens of new members asking the same old questions that have been answered a thousand times. Few seem to be reading the FAQs, or using the "search" function, or even applying a little common sense. Kathy Love's guides alone answer very close to 100% of ALL basic husbandry questions.

I am not really sure which topics you are talking about, as I don't keep up with the forums here as much as you do.

But I can say that as one of those "dozens of people with a single snake they've had for two months (well... 3 now!!)," I try to answer people's basic questions on feeding, heating, or lighting when I see them come up simply to avoid them having to hear an older, more experience member snap "SEARCH FUNCTION!" at them and then proceed to chastise and degrade them for not using the function and reading the books....

It would be a fantastic world if every single person would read Kathy Love's book AND read the forums AND read the FAQ's before they purchased their snake... but as we all know, this is far from an ideal world, and not everyone is going to do that. Yelling at them to use the search function doesn't work, as we can see from the current situation. All it does is encourage negativity and hostility between "more seasoned" members and newer members. And, as you feared Dean, it also makes you seem... dare I say it... a little snobby? First impressions count, a lot....

I personally cannot let someone fail at a hobby simply because I disagree with how they got into the hobby, and most importantly, I cannot allow their animal to suffer because of their failures as a hobbyist. I also don't believe that hostility towards them will resolve anything in the long run.

Isn't it better that they are here instead of just using no advice or bad advice from their local chain store? Maybe if we continue to work with these people, we will increase their interest and enjoyment in the hobby to the point that they WANT to do the research and spend hours reading the forums just to learn more about their snake.

i'am not stupid, i know they go blue, i was just wondering why he was going pink and the faqs doesent tell that, and if ur gona carry on coming onto my threads making them dull then dont, just go to somone elses, i want people who like helping not who like flaming. thanks.

regards,
george.

I will say that THIS attitude is NOT helping things at all. From the way you have been responding to posts and advice given on this board, I am starting to think that maybe your goal here IS just to stir up trouble and to draw attention to yourself. I will agree that you seem very enthusiastic about your snake, which is fantastic, and you've improved your posting grammar, but you should also realize that some of the biggest names in the corn snake hobby read and post on these forums, and YOU can have the chance to interact with them and learn from them.

But neither they nor anyone else will give you the time of day if you continue to act like a little kid. Take a look at some of the other teenage posters on here. Read their threads. See how they interact with the more experienced members, and see what they gain from it. There's a lot to be had from this site, but throwing tantrums and engaing in a proverbial "urinating contest" with older members isn't going to get you there.

 

[Jdizzyfizzy]

if only 99% of the forum was as welcoming as you : ) meh ive learnt to ignor them i dislike and listen to those who truly wana help me, ur now on my listen list i think roy and nanci have been great too, me and roy had a big fall out but then sorted it and now he helps alot..

 

[Hypancistrus]

ive learnt to ignor them i dislike and listen to those who truly wana help me.

Perhaps one of the best things a person can learn. There's always going to be people you just don't get on with due to personality differences, but you have to learn to at least live and work peaceably with them.

BTW... I have found that the "advanced search" function works a lot better than just typing in the little box. You can select advanced search underneath the regular search box. If you use advanced search, you can actually select which forums to search and even a user name. So if you enjoy reading Dean's posts, or Jazz's, or anyone elses, you can narrow it down and search that way. It took me quite a long time to really figure out how to make the search function work for me, but it was worth it in the end because I can find the info I need when I need it without annoying anyone. :grin01:

 

[Jdizzyfizzy]

thanks, and i agree with the person up there ^^ its not nice being shouted "search button" at you all the time, and about the well known corn snake people who read around this forum, good for them, they have worked hard and they have done well, but most of them shout "search" i think nanci and roy give great advise nanci never shouts or talks to me like abit of dirt on her shoe, and roy is intelligent and looking up his long words on google is fun, also i learn alot about spelling from him.. but as somone stated, there will always be people who clash with me, mainly because of personalitys, yea mabie alot of questions have been asked and answerd before, but if more dont keep coming then what? whats going to happen? nothing.. the forum will slowly die. questions, answers and the community are the only thing keeping this forum together, so please dont try and stop that, you may think i'am new and i dont know much about thease forums, but i have had many successfull forums in my time, and they always die off because of people who are igronent, now that may not be the case here but just think about that please.

 

[Roy Munson]

Truce?
I know we have differing views on replies to newbies.

No need for a truce, Jen. We're cool. :cheers: Now that you mention it, the only times we ever disagree are when this subject is brought up! Sorry about the harshness of my reply. I think I may have been looking for a good feather-ruffling, and decided that your post was close enough. :grin01: I can't ALWAYS be expected to be rational.

 

[Jrgh17]

ive learnt to ignor them i dislike and listen to those who truly wana help me

Maybe this isn't the best solution. There's a difference between ignoring someone who is just trying to start a fight with you, and ignoring someone who has tried helping but who's advice wasn't taken. And yes, I consider telling someone to use the search function to be helpful, especially if a) they give the exact words to look up, or b) I do the exact same search myself and find more information than I could possibly need.

 

[ghosthousecorns]

Thanks Dean, I'd rep you if I could. I'm glad we're still