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They hatched. Thank you everyone

S

snakes4ever

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As of right now I am the proud owner of 12 baby cornsnakes amd 7 that I am still weighting to hatch. I noticed that when I was takeing out the clutch of 12 babys there was a egg that had one little guy that was pokeing his head out of the egg and when he saw my hand chasing the others he ducked his head back in. I just let him be.

Is it ok for me to house all them in a 2' X 1' X 1' tank, all together?

I made a hide box out of my tea bags box with a papertowl in it and newspaper on the bottum and a paper towl just throughen in in for added cover and hideing.

I will add pictures of them when I get a digital camera.

I just wanted to thank everyone for there help back when I left this posting:

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20897

Again... Thank you everyone.
 
You *can* house them all together .... but .....

It makes it pretty tricky (no ... not tricky ... impossible) to keep track of who has shed, which ones are eating and which ones not etc etc.

It really depends what you plan on doing with the hatchlings. If you plan to seel them you really want individial histories for any shop/prospective owner that is planning to buy one of them.

I keep all my hatchlings separate, in cricket tubs, so I can keep a full record of everything that happens.

Good luck with them. :)

Heres a picture of my nursery tank. It will take about 20 hatchling tubs. I have another smaller tank that will take about another 15.

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How did you make the shelfs? and ware can I find clear containers like yours? I have gone to target and Wal-mart and both of them only sell the hazey white containers. And the ones that were real clear were thease small tupaware containers with fancey rubber lids.

You made a good point. When I bought my kingsnakethe breeding had a sloppey writen pice of 3x5 card onto of the little mouse cantainers with vented lids. He told me that the dates show when each snake has been fed.

Thanks again. By the way I have a nother question that my mom just brought to my attention. I may have to make this question as a seperate part of the message board.

I once had a normal brownish cornsnake and bought it a orange colored girlfriend. THey mated and since then we sold them and kept one baby. The baby turned out to be a boy. We sold all the snakes except one baby. Shouldent that baby had been "het" for something?

Since the baby grew up we got it a nother orange girlfriend and the just hatched this second batch of which today is 4 more babys. But they are all comeing out dark brown. I thought if you had a het cornsnake and bred it with a full orange that he may have been het for. THen some of the baby's would have been orange. WHat did I do wrong?

Could the mothers have been 2 different types of orange? Meaning that word that sounds like "amalenistic" and one local petstore said that this mother is a "creamsickle" cornsnake. Could the 2 oranges canceld eachother out?

Just in case this did not make any sence I will try to make a family tree:

orange1
+Brown1
---------
1baby

orange2
+1baby
--------
16 baby brown snakes as of right now.

shouldent "1baby" have been het for orange when it grew up mate with a nother orange? Or could "orange1" and "orange2" have been 2 different types of orange?
 
I'm expecting some hatchlings in the next few weeks and have bought little clear plastic food storage boxes for them in a supermarket. I'm going to drill some small air holes in them and buy them some little water bowls, and use pieces of cardboard cut from kitchen paper rolls for hides for the babies. I can't wait to meet them! :)
 
The tubs I use I get for free from the place that takes my snakes from me.

They are tubs they sell live crickets, grubs etc in. I'm not sure where you'd be able to buy them? If a pet shop near you sells live insect food it might be worth asking them if they have any old tubs you could have.

They have pre-drilled airholes in them as they are for housing insects. The water dishes are mostlt coffee jar lids. I put a rubber band round each tub to make SURE the lid stays on. I didn't the first time I used those tubs and I had a coupld of escapees.

There aren't any shelves in there as such. I just put a line of 5 tubs in, then a layer of thin card/thick paper (it's 160gsm to be exact) on top of the tubs, then another layer of tubs .... etc etc .... until it's full. It's a 3 foot fish tank with a UTH on the back for heat.

Oh .... and on the 'het' thing ....

If you bred a normal to an amel (which it sounds like you did) ... I don't think all the babies would be het for amel. Some would, but not all ....... I think.

By the sound of it, your one didn't carry any hets.

I'm sure someone will correct me if thats not right (which it may well not be .... lol ..... genetics AIN'T my speciality).

Good luck with the hatchlings!

:)
 
snakes4ever said:
I once had a normal brownish cornsnake and bought it a orange colored girlfriend. THey mated and since then we sold them and kept one baby. The baby turned out to be a boy. We sold all the snakes except one baby. Shouldent that baby had been "het" for something?

Since the baby grew up we got it a nother orange girlfriend and the just hatched this second batch of which today is 4 more babys. But they are all comeing out dark brown. I thought if you had a het cornsnake and bred it with a full orange that he may have been het for. THen some of the baby's would have been orange. WHat did I do wrong?

Could the mothers have been 2 different types of orange? Meaning that word that sounds like "amalenistic" and one local petstore said that this mother is a "creamsickle" cornsnake. Could the 2 oranges canceld eachother out?

Just in case this did not make any sence I will try to make a family tree:

orange1
+Brown1
---------
1baby

orange2
+1baby
--------
16 baby brown snakes as of right now.

shouldent "1baby" have been het for orange when it grew up mate with a nother orange? Or could "orange1" and "orange2" have been 2 different types of orange?
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It is possible that the first cornsnake you described as orange could have just been a very orange normal corn. Or it could have been a hypo possibly which would make it look more orange by reducing black. An amelanistic (amel) has no black at all whatsoever and is usually white to orange/red. A creamsicle is an amelanistic hybrid - cross between a cornsnake and a great plains ratsnake (I believe - I know it's a type of ratsnake). Make sure that you sell your babies as hybrids just so customers know what they are getting - sometimes people can be picky about the genetics. Back to the original point of this, if the first orange and second orange weren't the same genetics (i.e. an amel for one and hypo for another or hypo and creamsicle) then they won't produce babies that look the same. Check out www.cornguide.com if you have genetics questions. Serp explains it very well.

~Katie
 
I gave my thoughts on genetics on your other thread, "genetics for laymen" (not sure if that is the exact title). Colin, 100% of the offspring of a normal and an amel will carry the amel gene. By the way whereabouts in Scotland are you?
 
LOL .... cheers Jessica .... as I mentioned, pretty clueless myself on the genetics side of things. :)

I'm in Dunfermline in Fife. (about 20 minutes drive north of Edinburgh)
 
I went to St Andrews university (1990-93). I also went to Dunfermline two years ago because my husband and I are football season ticket holders at Portsmouth, and they played Dunfermline as a pre season friendly - and Dunfermline won! We made it into a weekend in Edinburgh. I love Scotland - we quite often go to the highlands on holiday. Next time I want to go to the far north and see John O'Groats! (Been to Land's End!).
 
THanks again

dang!

It feels like I have been smacking my head with the palm of my hand for the past 48 hours, trying to figure out my cornsnakes genetics. I need to get a digital camera so I can take pictures and share them with everyone.

Thanks again for the genetics and about storeing them

Eric
 
I was wrong on my egg count

I was wrong on the number of eggs I had. There are only 18. As of right now I am the proud parent of 17 baby snakes. First time I checked them I got 12 out of the plastic tub, then I weighted 24 hours and another 4 came out, and then I went to bed and when I woke up I checked it again and found 1 more.

Thinking it was OK to start removing the rest of the eggs that were empty, I grabbed one that had a small strain of spagem moss connected to an empty egg that I picked up. The egg that was connected to it sort of hung and spun when I saw that the eggs were attached. I think it may have been my last baby. I read that you should not move them around much when they are first layed. Could I have hurt this baby or made it scared to come out? :(

I will give it 10 more hours and when I get off work I think I have read that sometimes you may need to cut a slit in the egg to help them. What do you guys think?

It's funny how the last hour of work is always the longest and the last egg just hangs on your every thought when the dang snake don't want to come out. They have all hatched except this last one and I am afraid I moved it to much when I learned that it was connected to the other empty one.
 
I LOVE cornsnakes but I enjoy all reptiles. Now I want to get a smal batchler fridg and make it into a incabater and breed kingsnakes, cornsnakes, gopher snakes, and Maby Surinim Red Tailed Boas. I just like how viverent there red tails are and the body mass.
 
Jessica71 said:
I also went to Dunfermline two years ago because my husband and I are football season ticket holders at Portsmouth, and they played Dunfermline as a pre season friendly - and Dunfermline won!
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:sidestep:

Now that IS unusual. Dunfermline couldn't win for toffee last season ....

Incidentally, I live about 10 minutes up the road from their ground. :)
 
Pre season friendlies are always funny though - well actually, as they say, funny old game football! Despite that dire pre season result Portsmouth did stay in the premiership that season and the one after! (not holding my breath about this coming one though).

Snakes4ever, congrats on your 17 baby snakes! As long as you have put the 18th egg back the right way up, I'm sure it won't have harmed it - snake eggs are pretty tough. Bear in mind I have no experience of this myself yet but from what people have written, I would be inclined to wait 48 hours from when the previous egg hatched before cutting the last egg, rather than just 10 hours. The baby may be just a bit slower and need the extra time to come out on his own. I know it must be difficult waiting, but if you cut the egg too early you may kill a baby which would have been ok if left - and then you would kick yourself. :)
 
18 baby snakes.

I was going to make a rack system out of my book shelf but the plastic containers that I drilled a row of holes on each long side of the boxes, stuck out past the depth of the shelves. So I just kept the same lids that they came with and stacked them inside the shelf without the shelf boards in the book case. They fit just right at 4 side by side. Ended up making 4 rows of 4 and 1 top row with just 2 containers and put stuff on top of the containers on top just to make the lids sit more firmly.

My girlfriend sets the A/C real low so I put a portable heater so it points across the book case.(not pointed at it) You guys think this would be OK for my babies? The 2 thermomiters I have on-top of the very top container shows 78*F. You think they will make it OK?

Well, I have to change some of there paper towels. I just placed the paper towels in the boxes and the part that was folded up the side wall of the containers got into the water dishes and now the great working paper towels have soaked the entire containers. hehehe oops. ;)

And I was wrong on my egg count when I first put them in the hovabater. There were 18 eggs and 18 hatched. The only problem I see that I may have is that some of them seem a little more skinnier then the others.
 
Good stuff. You can't agrue with 18/18.

The temp is perhaps a touch on the low side for hatchlings. They prefer it more around the mid 80's but I think you should just about get away with 78.

Only thing I would be wary of is you mention you're taking a temp reading at the top of the shelves. Well, as heat rises I'd be looking for a reading at the bottom as well to make sure its not too cold down there.

I wouldn't worry about a few skinny ones, just give them smaller pinkies when you start feeding. I have two left from my first clutch - one is going to a guy I work with and it's almost twice the size of the other one I have left already. The other one was the runt of the clutch but they're both eating OK and the runt has only had one less pinkie than the big one so both will be fine in the long run. Some are just born a bit bigger than others.

I'm tempted to keep the runt myself actually. He's REALLY docile for a hatchling and really inquisitive too. Open the tub and he doesn't try and shoot off behind a cupboard, he's more likely to crawl up into your hand and have a look around from there. Not jumpy or quirmy at all. Lovely snake.

All in all though, sounds like they should be OK. :)
 
I realised the same thing

I just thought about the same thing today. So I put one thermomiter proped aginst the front of the bookshelf leaning aginst the lower containers and at this time, right now... It reads... DANG!!! 72 at the bottum and 74 at the top. You think I should be pointing the heater more towards the containers? I am afaried of thoes electronic heaters drying out the air to much. :headbang: I just realised that I posted this thred on this message board and again I am asking 20 questions.... hehehhe :wavey:
 
Hmmm. You want it a bit warmer than low 70's.

What sort of heater are you using ?

A couple of strip UTH's or some heat tape down the back of the bookcase would be the best solution .....
 
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