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yellowfox

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I was a a reptial show a few weeks ago were i bout my carmal Rolo . I told th man about my other 2 snakes one is opal and the other is motley ultralavinder. He said that all corn snakes with ultra go back to a gardersnake cross. I was wondering if this was true or not ?
 
Hoo boy. First, ultra supposedly came from grey ratsnake. I don't believe corns and garters can interbreed successfully. Can you post a photo of your motley? I believe ultra lavender could be right based on your description, since it is fairly pale pinkish like young opals.
 
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It's a female I haven't named her because she's supposed to be Chris . I didn't think it sounded right when he told me that because it would have to be used with all the baby's no mater the color out of the same parents. But I wanted to see if it was something other people had herd . I'm new to the snake world. And I'm having a blast learning about them and the people involved.
 
The Ultra gene is.. to make a pun ultra confusing.

It's also a hot button issue because some people think that it originated from Gray Rats. There is not enough evidence to support this claim however.

Ultra is basically a form of hypomelanism. It does some pretty unique things to snakes. It also shares a locus with Amel. Hence Ultramels are Ultra/Amel. The snake cannot be Ultra Ultra Amel Amel (This is the easiest way I can think to describe it).

Here are a bunch of links to threads that either will help clear things up or make you even more confused. :p

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87303&highlight=ultramel+confusion

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15427&highlight=ultramel+confusion

These ones that arn't really productive, but kind of fun to read if you like that sort of thing.. :devil01: :crazy01: :toiletgra:toiletgra

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120832&highlight=ultramel+confusion

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130405&highlight=ultramel+confusion

You can search for Ultra or Ultramel in the form search bar. You can also go to breeder's pages, and some of them will list information about certain morphs. Good luck!
 
Man, and here I thought the gray ratsnake claim came directly from the gene's discoverers. Lately I've started to lean towards the I-don't-care-if-it's-a-hybrid camp anyway.
 
Dragonling said:
Lately I've started to lean towards the I-don't-care-if-it's-a-hybrid camp anyway.
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Those are "fighten" words !!! LOL :D

The "purist's" don't like hybrids and then there are even the morph haters that take it one step further.

I have at least 6 hybrids in my collection ;)
 
daddio207 said:
Those are "fighten" words !!! LOL :D

The "purist's" don't like hybrids and then there are even the morph haters that take it one step further.

I have at least 6 hybrids in my collection ;)
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I have seriously considered attempting to convince an EU or Canadian breeder to produce a high-content hybrid San Francisco garter snake x red sided garter to make a legal alternative in the states. I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but I bet it would have far less red tape.
 
The research team in Europe that discovered the gene carrying the amel mutation will presumably now sequence that same gene in ultra corns. Depending on how thorough they are in their analysis, they should be able to determine if the ultra allele is actually derived from the corn snake.
 
DuxorW said:
The research team in Europe that discovered the gene carrying the amel mutation will presumably now sequence that same gene in ultra corns. Depending on how thorough they are in their analysis, they should be able to determine if the ultra allele is actually derived from the corn snake.
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This would be fantastic.
 
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