Unusual corn ( Identify please )

[Clint Boyer]

I agree, good post!

The one flaw in this line of thinking is that the gene pool of corns can not be viewed as one swimming pool. Just because you pour a teaspoon of ink in one pool doesn't mean all pools in the world have ink in them. Eventually, after trading and selling pool water, most pools will have a degree of ink. But even then, I have pools within my pool that don't mix.

I'm not overly concerned, it's just nice to know where genetic traits originate so we can make our own judgments.

 

[Traci1]

Unfortuanetly, that is a flawed system. Inevitably, you have to rely on the new owner to keep up their end of the bargin. If you start turning away people because they aren't good enough for your snakes, word will get out and you may not sell a snake again, or you will really have a hard time in doing so. These things are real concerns when Jhonny-down-the-block can produce the same snakes you can, but is willing to sell them to anyone, and for a cheaper price. It's not as easy as going to an AKC system.

Right, that was part of my point. While some people seem SO concerned with the purity of the corn snake gene pool, I seriously doubt that anyone is THAT concerned that they'd go to the extremes that people have gone with dogs, cats, horses, etc. (and some of those registries go back ages) When people are that seriously concerned about purity, they have a registry, they screen buyers, etc. You are right...even if corn snake "purists" tried to do this, most likely all they would accomplish would be to send buyers elsewhere. So for those reasons that is why 'purity' is not something that weighs on my mind as a keeper and breeder. For example, IMO if Carol's mystery 'anerys?' are pure corns, that's great, if they have something else in the mix, that's great. I still want one either way! LOL. (I'm just using her babies as an example because they have a unique look - not suggesting that they are hybrids) The only hybrids I have are creamsicles, and I am going to try to produce creamsicles with borders like a reverse okeetee. I LIKE that look, and I will ENJOY producing offspring with that look. And anyone that buys any of those offspring will be told that they have emoryi blood in them. But am I supposed to worry that they might end up being sold as pure corns, or bred to pure corns and the offspring sold as "pure"?

Also please don't get me wrong...anyone that is selling something they know or suspect is a hybrid of some sort, should fully disclose that info. But people should not be looked down upon for breeding what they like, or accused of contributing to the contamination of a gene pool just because they breed and sell hybrids. Cause I am sure there are a lot of corn snakes already out there that have a little something or another in them and it's just not outwardly visible. IMO As long as a person discloses what they know or suspect their animals to be, they should not be discouraged from breeding and selling what they like.

 

[Clint Boyer]

or accused of contributing to the contamination of a gene pool just because they breed and sell hybrids.

OK, I see where you're comming from. I didn't intend for that to sound as if I were laying blame. What I meant was that if you disagree with intentional or unintentional mixing (degradation of) corns, you shouldn't let hybrids out of your control.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

 

[E. g. guttata]

ecreipeoj very well put. Now even though I 'm a purest we have to look at one thing .ooh crap I hate to say this but it is true, look Obeselatta / corn hybirds have been found in nature . The fact Is that I'm sure if you hunt in the range were corns and grayrats live together you are gona find some grayrat/corn crosses and who will they breed with corn or obesletta ?
if it happend in nature and the hybird mateted with a corn then you would not be able to tell it from a pure corn by the third gen . ther for the ultra gene would have been so called pure corn stock. Nobody would known the diffrance.

By the use of this kind of argument (there may be one gene mutation that was the result of natural integration) then you have all proven that (unless you strictly breed okeetees) you are not true purists. If it is possible that ultra was cause by natural integration, then wouldn't it be just as likely that amel was brought in by the same result? Or anery, lava, hypo....? Don't you see how this alone proves that anyone breeding any morph is now NOT a purist, but a person who breeds hybrids and sells them as pure corns?? Would they then not also be the people you fear and hate the most? Would this not also mean that you would now have to look at yourself in a different perspective?

Oh, and VInny, don't pull the "I'm a purst" crap. I have seen you asking fro yellow rat/corns crosses. You are not a purist. Especially with those mexicana x corn crosses that you own. You cannot claim to be a purist and yet own that which you view as impure, that is a contradiction of your "belief". If you truly believe that all hybrids are dirty things that should be reguarded with hate, fear, and ignorance, then you wouldn't own one, much less be looking for several.

 

[Vinman]

EGG I like hybirds The problem is that to many are bred back to corn to many genenerations. this is my beef. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th corn cross. I like my corns to be corns. I also like data locality corns. I like pure corns this is why Im a pureist .

 

[E. g. guttata]

EGG I like hybirds The problem is that to many are bred back to corn to many genenerations. this is my beef. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th corn cross. I like my corns to be corns. I also like data locality corns. I like pure corns this is why Im a pureist .

Then you are the first "purist" I've ever seen that breeds that which they view as "impure". You obviously don't care for pure corns as much as you say either from what I can tell.

looking for a corn or a rat snake ( yellow or everglades ) crossed to any tri color Lampropeltis. any size fem or pr or tiros of babies please let me know

Those are your exact words stating that you want a corn hybrid. How pure do you want your lines when you are looking for what is effectively a jungle corn??

 

[Vinman]

no I'm not looking for ajungel corn I'm looking for obesoletta or corn into tri color king. belive me that I'm, trying to make my hybirds look diffrent than any pure snake. my corns I like pure I'm not big into hybirds egg. pure corns is my main thing thats why I cant stand hybird corns crossed back to pure corns 2nd, 3rd, and 4th corn cross

 

[E. g. guttata]

no I'm not looking for ajungel corn I'm looking for obesoletta or corn into tri color king. belive me that I'm, trying to make my hybirds look diffrent than any pure snake. my corns I like pure I'm not big into hybirds egg. pure corns is my main thing thats why I cant stand hybird corns crossed back to pure corns 2nd, 3rd, and 4th corn cross

A hybrid corn, no matter how different from a corn it may look, is not a pure corn. You are tyring to find hybrids to breed, no?? In breedin the hybrid corns you are adding to the imurity of the cornsnake gene pool that you are so afraid of destroying. I can understand crossing them back 3 or 4 times. But when you are caiming to be a purist who is looking for hybrids to breed, that's a little contridictory, dontcha think?

 

[snakepimp]

*contradictory*
(I only correct you because I know you are a good speller already, unlike so many...)

and a picture

 

[Vinman]

EGG how many times doiI got to say this I 'm a purest first . I'm not into corns that look pure an are not. the whole hybrid thing is to not make them look like a pure corn. did you noitce that I was also looking for a obsoletta cross. yes I'm a purest first why do you think I'm so strict on okeetees. the fact is i'm trying to breed my hybrid away from corn I all ready tried to breed it to a honduren with no luck that iswhy I'm looking for a rat or corn cross. but no egg I cant stand creancicles and corns that are niot pure and sold as pure and so on and so on. I'm also into local corns

 

[E. g. guttata]

EGG how many times doiI got to say this I 'm a purest first . I'm not into corns that look pure an are not. the whole hybrid thing is to not make them look like a pure corn. did you noitce that I was also looking for a obsoletta cross. yes I'm a purest first why do you think I'm so strict on okeetees. the fact is i'm trying to breed my hybrid away from corn I all ready tried to breed it to a honduren with no luck that iswhy I'm looking for a rat or corn cross. but no egg I cant stand creancicles and corns that are niot pure and sold as pure and so on and so on. I'm also into local corns

THen you have proved that even by your weak definitoin that you are not a true purist. If you breed a hybrid to a pure animal, then you are breeding away from the hybrid look and into the pure look of another animal. This is not a situatoin where you can have your cake and eat it too. The only way that you can consider yourself a purist (by your definition) is to breed hybrids only to the same hybrid (mexicana X yellow rat to another). By breeding some hybrid to another snake which is pure, are you not (in effect) commitin the crime that you hate? Even though it's not the corn gene pool that you are contaminating in this way, it is another gene pool that you will be contaminating. Or am I just misunderstanding? Are you trying to breed a hybrid with a like type, or are you trying to add another pure snake's gene into that pool? Trying to breed your corn hybrid into the honduran line will make it look more like a honudran, no? That would cause the honduran pool to then be contaminated. Please tell me if I'm wrong here.

 

[E. g. guttata]

*contradictory*
(I only correct you because I know you are a good speller already, unlike so many...)

and a picture

LOL Thanks, I needed the laugh. I shouldn't be typing early in the morning,shortly after I wake up. I might not spell right. Thanks for the correction. I like that snake BTW. It has very nice colors.

 

[Vinman]

EGG no by breeding a mexacina intergrade x grayband xcorn to a honduran milk will not make it look like a honduran milk it will just make it look more weird

 

[E. g. guttata]

EGG no by breeding a mexacina intergrade x grayband xcorn to a honduran milk will not make it look like a honduran milk it will just make it look more weird

But after all that is said ind done, the honduran blood is stronger than the others because the others are "watered down". Unless I am missing something.

 

[Vinman]

No I tried a tangerane honduran you have to see my male he is slate gray on deep red and all the stuff that in him I was plaing on breeding that cross with a jungel corn

 

[Vinman]

di you go on thissight this is what you are missing http://www.mesozoicreptiles.com/ holly cow some cool stuf on this sight you got to click on the link ans see his friends stuff wow o wow

 

[E. g. guttata]

di you go on thissight this is what you are missing http://www.mesozoicreptiles.com/ holly cow some cool stuf on this sight you got to click on the link ans see his friends stuff wow o wow

I'm actually waiting for an e-mail back from the guy right now. I e-mailed him with my hybrid questions. Hopefully he can help and/or reference me somewhere that can give me some additional info.

 

[Vinman]

was the stuff nice or what. ITHINK I'M GOND INTO A LOT MORE HYBRIDS WOW. did you go on the link ?