rachel132002
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I don't need to worry for a little while but what size vivarium will i need to house two adult corn nskaes as i will have a male and female by the time i need one.
Rach
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bmm
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Well don't house them together until the female is large enough to safely breed, or else you run the risk of egg binding. Which can be fatal, or just a HUGE problem.
If you must hosue them together (many reasons you shouldn't though) you should be looking for say a 40 gallon or larger to provide enough room for the hiding spots (you need more than normal when housing together) and room to exercise and strech out.
bmm
If you must hosue them together (many reasons you shouldn't though) you should be looking for say a 40 gallon or larger to provide enough room for the hiding spots (you need more than normal when housing together) and room to exercise and strech out.
bmm
rachel132002
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hmm yeh i said this with the guy and he said he can custom build a tank so i can put a divider in and he has a viv with 2kings in and theyre fine soo i dunno ima let him do his thing lol n if 1 dies its his fault
Rach
Rach
umm...
It wouldn't be the man's fault... It would be your fault and your stupidity that would kill the snake. If you are still willing to risk your snakes life after all the advice people are giving you that shows exactly what kind of person you are. Seriously, what's the problem by giving them two different enclosures?
I'm sorry but when I read that post it really made me angry.
By the way.... why are u asking questions but not willing to accept the advice the EXPERTS are giving to you??
Kristy
It wouldn't be the man's fault... It would be your fault and your stupidity that would kill the snake. If you are still willing to risk your snakes life after all the advice people are giving you that shows exactly what kind of person you are. Seriously, what's the problem by giving them two different enclosures?
I'm sorry but when I read that post it really made me angry.
By the way.... why are u asking questions but not willing to accept the advice the EXPERTS are giving to you??
Kristy
bmm
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I won't comment on your sitaution further or your choice but I would like to make a comment about this "guy" who is giving you advice....
Anyone who willingly houses kingsnakes together is ASKING for trouble. They are known cannabilizers and rarely if ever should be housed together. No resposible herper who cares about their collection would do this.
bmm
Anyone who willingly houses kingsnakes together is ASKING for trouble. They are known cannabilizers and rarely if ever should be housed together. No resposible herper who cares about their collection would do this.
bmm
Like everyone has been saying already, it's generally best to house your corns separately.
If you cannot afford two tanks, you can go with a cheaper alternative like rubbermaid tubs with airholes drilled in.
I would think that two big $6 tubs would be cheaper than a custom built tank. And much better for your corns too.
If you cannot afford two tanks, you can go with a cheaper alternative like rubbermaid tubs with airholes drilled in.
I would think that two big $6 tubs would be cheaper than a custom built tank. And much better for your corns too.
tmountain35
New member
maybe
i missed something, but if this guy is making him a custom tank with a divider its not AS BAD as putting 2 snakes together in the same area? Right ? Granted he would still have to worry about parasites/illness spreading of course. (good pt iris, this really isn't even cost effective which i would think would be iris' motive here)
Here's a question related, do you guys think that the average herp owner, assuming they house snakes seperately, don't take the proper precautions that would prevent parasite/illness spreading. I would think they prob don't but i'm no expert. Not that two wrongs make a right here but geez, i don't think we need to be calling anyone stupid. I think rachel just may have been a little too casual with her coments about if the snake dies etc....
But ya, go with two sep enclosures
i missed something, but if this guy is making him a custom tank with a divider its not AS BAD as putting 2 snakes together in the same area? Right ? Granted he would still have to worry about parasites/illness spreading of course. (good pt iris, this really isn't even cost effective which i would think would be iris' motive here)
Here's a question related, do you guys think that the average herp owner, assuming they house snakes seperately, don't take the proper precautions that would prevent parasite/illness spreading. I would think they prob don't but i'm no expert. Not that two wrongs make a right here but geez, i don't think we need to be calling anyone stupid. I think rachel just may have been a little too casual with her coments about if the snake dies etc....
But ya, go with two sep enclosures
rachel132002
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okay lol i went in there and asked him and they aint kings he said and they aint HIS he's lookin after em while sum1 is on hol and apparently they need to be together and as he said he tried to seperate but 1 gets really agressive if it's on its own soooo yaa, but like u said he says it's not ideal! emmmmm and yeh i'm gettin two 30gallons, anyone in the UK, what would be a reasonable price for 30gallons so i can shop around!
Sorted!
Rach
Sorted!
Rach
rachel132002
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lol i missed that last bit i've spent most of my life begging for a snake so if 1 died on me id be GUTTED i just meant that if it did happen in such a situation id know the cause
Rach
Rach
bmm
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This is total 100% B.S.-
"they need to be together and as he said he tried to seperate but 1 gets really agressive if it's on its own soooo yaa,"
Snakes don't need to be together, But I understand this is not you, and you can't do anything about it, BUT that guy is a total newbie and a total moron when it comes to snakes. I don't care who's they are. Anyone who would believe that snakes "need" each other is a total moron. I could have those snakes seperated and feeding within a week. Whoever owns them just doesn't want them seperated because of their own selfish reasons. I would stay FAR FAR away from that guy when it comes to snakes or advice, he knows nothing.
Don't start off on the wrong foot and become a lame selfish herper. Make choices that are best for your snakes based on natural habits, not human reasons and you will quickly learn they have more to offer when cared for properly than when not. Good luck!
bmm
"they need to be together and as he said he tried to seperate but 1 gets really agressive if it's on its own soooo yaa,"
Snakes don't need to be together, But I understand this is not you, and you can't do anything about it, BUT that guy is a total newbie and a total moron when it comes to snakes. I don't care who's they are. Anyone who would believe that snakes "need" each other is a total moron. I could have those snakes seperated and feeding within a week. Whoever owns them just doesn't want them seperated because of their own selfish reasons. I would stay FAR FAR away from that guy when it comes to snakes or advice, he knows nothing.
Don't start off on the wrong foot and become a lame selfish herper. Make choices that are best for your snakes based on natural habits, not human reasons and you will quickly learn they have more to offer when cared for properly than when not. Good luck!
bmm
rachel132002
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naaah this guys cool n knows his stuff its just the guy who has the snakes (i had the joy of meeting him) is a RETARD n slytely psycho and hes gone away 4 unspecified time payin the guy about £50to look after em n if e comes bk n they aint togeva hell have a fit n they aint pretty so hes just playin it safe, thats why the guy says they needa be together but 1 is snake is really weird w/out the other its freaky. I think because i can't always explain what i mean ive created the wrong impression about the guy who owns the shop lol he is REALLY good at what he does *supports him 100%*, i think i need to learn ot be more clear
Rach
Rach
k...
omg.. still, what does it take to get through your head that snakes should not be housed together?? I would have responded to your other thread but I couldn't understand what you were typing and nor can I now. I am by no means an expert on corn snakes nor do I claim myself to be one, but even a newbie can realize the cons outweigh the pros of houseing snakes together tremendously.
If you think he knows his "stuff" he wouldn't be trying to sell corns that need to be housed together.
And using the word retard can and will offend people reading your posts!
Kristy
hmmm.. sounds a bit harsher then I intended
omg.. still, what does it take to get through your head that snakes should not be housed together?? I would have responded to your other thread but I couldn't understand what you were typing and nor can I now. I am by no means an expert on corn snakes nor do I claim myself to be one, but even a newbie can realize the cons outweigh the pros of houseing snakes together tremendously.
If you think he knows his "stuff" he wouldn't be trying to sell corns that need to be housed together.
And using the word retard can and will offend people reading your posts!
Kristy
hmmm.. sounds a bit harsher then I intended
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Anel & Dirk
Cornvicted troublemaker
To get back to the viv question!
This tread has turned out a bit HARSH! I think, but thats not for me to reason on...
Anycase...
If your looking for a cheap viv, heres an idea.
Build one yourself! Easy enough, unless your really bad with your hands, hehe!
Just take 5 pieces of wood of good sizes to create a viv of (Don know inces so..) about 1m length, 40cm high and 50/40cm deep. Slap them together and give it a glass or perspex front.
Then you can choose to have a opening lid or opening glass panel.
This is how I'm doing mine and the glass front panel opening is better since the snake won't stress out as much when coming in from the top the whole time!
Really not hard!
Just remember to put ventilation on the sides and back (drill a couple of small holes)
You can even glue and screw the sides together!
If you do this neatly your snake will even have less chance to escape since everything should fit snugly onto everything else!
Hope it helps!
This tread has turned out a bit HARSH! I think, but thats not for me to reason on...
Anycase...
If your looking for a cheap viv, heres an idea.
Build one yourself! Easy enough, unless your really bad with your hands, hehe!
Just take 5 pieces of wood of good sizes to create a viv of (Don know inces so..) about 1m length, 40cm high and 50/40cm deep. Slap them together and give it a glass or perspex front.
Then you can choose to have a opening lid or opening glass panel.
This is how I'm doing mine and the glass front panel opening is better since the snake won't stress out as much when coming in from the top the whole time!
Really not hard!
Just remember to put ventilation on the sides and back (drill a couple of small holes)
You can even glue and screw the sides together!
If you do this neatly your snake will even have less chance to escape since everything should fit snugly onto everything else!
Hope it helps!
bmm
New member
I don't mean to be harsh to the thread starter but to the person she is getting terrible advice from who is obviously doing things the wrong way.
I would like to see people start out with snakes on the RIGHT foot by getting good solid advice, not advice from someone who doesn't even understand simple snake mental capabilities. That can create another herper doing things that aren't best for animals and so on.
rachel132002 the best you can do is listen to people who seem to know what they are talking about and can give you reasons and show you how and why they came to certain conclusions. And then after getting lots of advice, pick and choose whats best for the animal.
bmm
I would like to see people start out with snakes on the RIGHT foot by getting good solid advice, not advice from someone who doesn't even understand simple snake mental capabilities. That can create another herper doing things that aren't best for animals and so on.
rachel132002 the best you can do is listen to people who seem to know what they are talking about and can give you reasons and show you how and why they came to certain conclusions. And then after getting lots of advice, pick and choose whats best for the animal.
bmm
rachel132002
New member
OOOOOKKKKKKKKKK that was soooooo mis-read so emm 'omg..what does it take to get through....' has NO BEARINGS cuz i asked what price ma i roughly looking at for a good 30gallon so i can get 2 and shop around for prices and i need sum kinda therapy of understandin cuz i went in AGAIN n was like yeehhh so *reels off everything he said* and he was like WHAT THA HELL and i'd been misunderstanding EVERYTHIN he said prolly cuz he was runnin round while talkin b4 and i was playin wit sum bearded dragons so yeh he RE-EXPLAINED stuff and said basically all you guys have lol *DITZ*!
So if someone cna give me a rough price for a 30gall viv so i can save up for TWO it'd be apreciated.
Yours, MUPPET
So if someone cna give me a rough price for a 30gall viv so i can save up for TWO it'd be apreciated.
Yours, MUPPET
Scorpionking
New member
I gotta mine a 29 gal. w/ screen lid, clips, an reptibark for $50.00(USD).
rachel132002
New member
OOOOKKKKK thinking about stuff this isa COST me but i wanna get a rough estimate off u guys who have this kind of stuff so i'll need probably
2vivs
2-4hides
2 heat mats
2branchy things
2plant things
2thermostats
i know this is gonna hit the £200 mark and probably WAY over but at least once it's bought, it's bought soooo what kind of price am i looking at and if anyone has any vivs goin at a good price i'm more than happy to take them off your hands haha!
Rach
2vivs
2-4hides
2 heat mats
2branchy things
2plant things
2thermostats
i know this is gonna hit the £200 mark and probably WAY over but at least once it's bought, it's bought soooo what kind of price am i looking at and if anyone has any vivs goin at a good price i'm more than happy to take them off your hands haha!
Rach
EtherRex
Otter-Like
Why dont you go to one of the mail order sites on the web and put together an exact cost list of the exact items you will be ordering? Any prices the Americans on this site give you would be completely unrelated to what you end up paying from a UK supplyer. And if cost is an issue:
dont buy hides just use old toilet roll tubes cut in half or cereal boxes etc.
use butcher paper or kitchen towels for substrate.
Buy cheap squat bowls or deep saucers from a charity shop (disinfect and rinse them properly).
Dont buy plants.
Go find some branches from a wood for climbing uses and bake / soak in disinfectant to remove mites.
Use geoflats for the cages. the large ones will be ideal until the snakes are just over a year or so old. They are only £20 ish from almost any petshop.
www.livefood.co.uk is a good place to start.
I reckon you can have a good setup for both snakes that will last 1 -1/2 years for less than £90 including heatmats. Id recomend you buy two thermostats as well though.....
dont buy hides just use old toilet roll tubes cut in half or cereal boxes etc.
use butcher paper or kitchen towels for substrate.
Buy cheap squat bowls or deep saucers from a charity shop (disinfect and rinse them properly).
Dont buy plants.
Go find some branches from a wood for climbing uses and bake / soak in disinfectant to remove mites.
Use geoflats for the cages. the large ones will be ideal until the snakes are just over a year or so old. They are only £20 ish from almost any petshop.
www.livefood.co.uk is a good place to start.
I reckon you can have a good setup for both snakes that will last 1 -1/2 years for less than £90 including heatmats. Id recomend you buy two thermostats as well though.....