What Is This ? :-d

[pewter]

ok, this was sold as:
Anerythristic Hurricane Midstriped TypB

I would go for: aztec anery a/b

 

[Jynx]

My first instinct is to say aztec anery, because the saddles are so dark. There doesn't seem to be enough contrast though, so it could definitely be a charcoal. I'm not sure what "hurricane midstriped" means, but the aztec is right on.

 

[Rich Z]

The coloration is very reminiscent of some of the 'A' Anerythristics I got out of my 'A' Anerythrism x Caramel project. I was expecting something completely different, but the blacks were just so much deeper and richer then the run of the mill Anerythristics. Also completely surprising was that the yellow markings pretty typical on a regular 'A' Anerythristic were completely absent.

Personally this doesn't look anything at all like anything I have ever gotten from my Charcoal lines. The colors are just too distinct and contrasty.

 

[Menhir]

I think we already discussed this a few times within other threads, that there is a special line of black anerythristics sold as Charcoals in Europa. One source for these animals is a breeder that labels animals by their look - no yellow means Charcoal... I think Rich knows a guy writing a german book and - tadaaa - it's the same.

It is like speaking against walls telling these people, that phenotype alone doesn't make a genotype. :shrugs:

 

[Menhir]

I forgot - the shown animal is from the same breeder I spoke of.

 

[lefty_mussolini]

Wow, I would have put money on Jungle. I'm not one to scream "Hibird" unless it's in jest, but that head pattern is crazy like the Jungles I have, and the head shape is somewhat similar. I'm not, in any way, saying it is a Jungle, just that the color and head really reminded me of my jungles. Either way, it is a very pretty snake.

 

[Taceas]

The coloration is very reminiscent of some of the 'A' Anerythristics I got out of my 'A' Anerythrism x Caramel project. I was expecting something completely different, but the blacks were just so much deeper and richer then the run of the mill Anerythristics. Also completely surprising was that the yellow markings pretty typical on a regular 'A' Anerythristic were completely absent.

How very interesting. When most het Caramels tend to have an over-abundance of a yellow infusion. Oh the things we don't know how or why they work sure are amazing.

Menhir, do people over there call a dog a German Shepherd when it LOOKS like one, or because it comes from known German Shepherd lineage? I mean, I've seen quite a few dogs that had 1/4 Shepher blood and look convincingly like one. But I don't call anything "a name" unless I know that was in the background.

I don't know what a "hurricane midstriped" is either. I see no hurricane effect and more aztec than stripe. Y'all need to get your morphs in a logical manner and stop having "well known breeders" label things on just how they "look" rather than what they "are". =P

 

[pewter]

I know another european breeder who has an animal like that. but he bought it at a show and didn´t know who was the breeder. but it looks quite the same and was also sold as charcoal.

he bred this male to 3 femals (anerys and snows) and got 100% anerys ...
one of the breeding group is attached

 

[jellejanssen]

for me it is still charcoal, like this little guy from marc vervest..

(can't yet find the pic from the adult female)

jj

 

[Menhir]

Menhir, do people over there call a dog a German Shepherd when it LOOKS like one, or because it comes from known German Shepherd lineage? I mean, I've seen quite a few dogs that had 1/4 Shepher blood and look convincingly like one. But I don't call anything "a name" unless I know that was in the background.

Amen. Sorry to say, but there are still enough people propagating that and one recently wrote a book about that... what a shame.

I don't know what a "hurricane midstriped" is either. I see no hurricane effect and more aztec than stripe. Y'all need to get your morphs in a logical manner and stop having "well known breeders" label things on just how they "look" rather than what they "are". =P

I think this is the result of people reading "Charcoals don't have yellow" instead of understanding how genetics work. I think we've already done a good job with our lexikon in the last years and the community of people that sells and labels animals correctly seems to grow. It's just sad, that some lone old breeders tell their customers (most of them novices) the nicest fairy tales, write books and sell SnowMots as Opals for 800€ each... and I could go on and on with such storys. :eek1:

 

[jellejanssen]

and because we didn't get the background on the animal and we were asked to guess, i guessed that...

guessing doesn't mean it can only that, wich has been said... sigh...

 

[mvervest]

"Charcoal origin"

I had the charcoals for some years mentioned by Jelle .
As I remember , I'm not sure for the 100% , we bought them also here in EU .
Now I have to go deep in my memory but I think to remember it was a German guy with a beard
We bought them as Charcoals and sold them as Charcoals .
I don't know if this makes any sense but that what I can say about that "black no yellow " snake .
I have to agree with Menhir , it is not the look that makes the name of a morph but the genetics in the animal . But when you buy a snake the look and the info from the breeder are the only facts on the moment you change the animal from owner .

 

[pewter]

Very interesting, and if you take a look at the pewters from that breeder he showed in his new book, its clear that these are anery a and no charcoals.
His pewters look absolutly like anery a blood red´s and as far as I know he used these dark charcoals to create the "pewters".

 

[Menhir]

But when you buy a snake the look and the info from the breeder are the only facts on the moment you change the animal from owner .

Of course you are right. Especially with newer morphs and morphs that are hardly distingushable from other.
I'm also exited to see were all the announced Ultramels had their origin this summer and what they will end up to be, when the first breedings are 2007.

Sad for german novices - you can now read these "facts" in a book - or didn't you know that stripe is genetic - BUT motley, hurricane, morsed, blotched, spotted and midstriped are line bred traits? :grin01:

Greetings from the snowy Nuremberg

 

[princess]

Yeah, I'm getting tired of the propagation of misinformation here too. A really lovely breeder who has a great reputation here repeatedly mislabels and misinforms, not due to any malice or 'intent' to mislead but just through simple lack of knowledge yet he continues to be touted as 'the guy who knows his stuff'.

Right now he has amel striped motley het for bubblegum hurricane motley and pastel striped motley for sale....I know the parentage and I know this isn't possible. Also he says 'het for motley stripe' even though I took time to carefully explain to him how a snake cannot be het for both traits at once without showing it at a show a while ago.

He's a really lovely guy with some beautiful snakes but has NO clue about the genetics side of things and it affects the whole hobby as people take his information as gospel.


...anyone remember blackberry corns?

 

[princess]

If I was a little unclear the...

'amel striped motley het for bubblegum hurricane motley and pastel striped motley'

...is one snake.

 

[gardenmum]

Sad for german novices - you can now read these "facts" in a book - or didn't you know that stripe is genetic - BUT motley, hurricane, morsed, blotched, spotted and midstriped are line bred traits?

WOW!! Gee, I think I should go out and find this book to read, sounds like it has all of the "up-to-date" and truthful facts about corns. uke02:
Certainly is a shame to have that stuff in print.

 

[Joejr14]

I'm not sure why ANYONE would believe any of these 'anerythristic' type snakes on this thread could be charcoals. They look nothing like any charcoal I have seen in any picture before.

Too many people assume that everyone is truthful, and everyone is intelligent. Unfortunately, the both of those assumptions are quite wrong. There are many people who are not intelligent and mislabel things because they're just idiots, and not trying to deceive people. The other end of the spectrum are people who are intelligent and know what they have, but sell it as something else to make more money.

Unfortunately this won't change until the general public smartens up and just stops buying things and taking someones word for it.

 

[bribrian]

Unfortunately this won't change until the general public smartens up and just stops buying things and taking someones word for it.

With all due respect, do you mean all us novices should not get into corns until we are all experts in corn genetics and not to believe in top breeders who, to us mare mortals, are experts in their field.... :shrugs:

 

[TandJ]

I think you missed Joe's point.. Indeed the point being was education but not to become experts. Its also known as Caveat Emptor.. How do we become knowledgable, by educating oneself. I don't depart with my hard won cash easily, and it is through some learning expieriances, unfortunantly the corn market is defianatly different in Europe, and seems to be young and small market where people are getting in on the main floor.

So fool me once, same on you, fool me twice, shame on me..

Regards