What the heck is this ???????

[Jimmy Johnson]

Joe

Ok Joe
lets see pictures of all these normals that look just like that.

It is an extremely interesting look.
And the question was what do I have not who can come up with the first negative response?
Of, course that is one of your strong suits.

and billyboob you too, like nett said there was no claim it was one in a million or that it was THE new morph, the closest thing was the remark that it would be cool if it was genetic.
And hell yes it would be cool.

why do you guys have to be so damned negative all the time?

It is a very interesting look and at this time we have no true idea what caused it.
gentic.. doubt it
a look that may be possible through selective breeding...never know but it could be possible.
freak of nature...most likely
but no matter it is definitely not the norm and to some of us, worth our interest.
If you don't think so, just ignore it.

 

[Billybobob]

and billyboob you too, like nett said there was no claim it was one in a million or that it was THE new morph, the closest thing was the remark that it would be cool if it was genetic.
And hell yes it would be cool.

why do you guys have to be so damned negative all the time?

Here is what I said:

My thoughts exactly. But every one wants to think that they have that 1 in a million random mutation.

No offence is meant to Nett, heck I hope it is a new genetic trait and you can reproduce it, But I highly doubt there is anything genetic about it.

Hope you prove me wrong.

Here is Nett's respone:

No offence taken ....But honestly I could give a care if he is that one in a million random mutation ....I totally think he is kool and will breed him to see if he proves cuz thats what I do ......and if he is genetic I more then likly wont sell any babies for a very long time as I will mix and match into several different lines ....I highly doubt he is genetic as well but hey hes another new project for me to dink around with and something neat to watch grow and change as he matures

If Nett took no offence from my post, then why would you Jimmy?

It is a very interesting look and at this time we have no true idea what caused it.
gentic.. doubt it
a look that may be possible through selective breeding...never know but it could be possible.
freak of nature...most likely

If it is reproducible through selective breeding it means it is a polygenetic trait, so that would mean it is genetic. So you contradicted your self.

but no matter it is definitely not the norm and to some of us, worth our interest.
If you don't think so, just ignore it.

Nett asked what do we think, I took that to mean more that if we thought it was "intresting". To me it seemed like he wanted to know if it was a new genetic trait or some fluke, so I posted my opinion. What is negative about posting an opinion.

If you don't like Joe's or my opinion, how about you just ignore it.
:cheers:

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

touchy

Sound pretty defensive to me there billyboob..
nope I said genetic :doubt it on one line
and using your term..polygenetic: could be possible on the other line.
Could be and doubt it are not contridictory,
it just means could be possible but I doubt it....LOL...sorry good try, though.
See if you can grasp at something else....LOL
said what I had to say.
not going to hijack the thread with anymore of this.
have fun....LOL

 

[Billybobob]

Touchy, no not really

Sound pretty defensive to me there billyboob..
not going to hijack the thread with anymore of this.
said what I had to say.
have fun....LOL

I respond to your responce of my post, and that makes me defensive?

 

[Billybobob]

Sound pretty defensive to me there billyboob..
nope I said genetic :doubt it on one line
and using your term..polygenetic: could be possible on the other line.
Could be and doubt it are not contridictory,
it just means could be possible but I doubt it....LOL...sorry good try, though.
See if you can grasp at something else....LOL
said what I had to say.
not going to hijack the thread with anymore of this.
have fun....LOL

You edited your post while I was responding.

When people make comments like this I always find it amusing. When you say you doubt it is genetic, and then say it could be possible through selective breeding, It is contradictory. Could be and doubt it are not contradictory by themselves, but the way you used them in the sentence makes your statement a contradiction.

I am not grasping at anything but it seems like you are reaching for an excuse to your contradictory statement. :sidestep:

 

[Serpwidgets]

Jimmy, don't waste your time on this stoner.

 

[Billybobob]

Jimmy, don't waste your time on this stoner.

Petty name calling. Sad.

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

is it not possible that there is some radical genetic trait that could turn anerythrism into a coo dominent?

 

[Roy Munson]

is it not possible that there is some radical genetic trait that could turn anerythrism into a coo dominent?

Yeah, but you have to use the Moonstone, and both parents have to be level 50 or higher. :grin01:

 

[Bobo's Mama]

Yeah, but you have to use the Moonstone, and both parents have to be level 50 or higher. :grin01:

:crazy02: Don't forget that you need all 8 badges or it won't obey!

 

[Joejr14]

Ok Joe
lets see pictures of all these normals that look just like that.

It is an extremely interesting look.
And the question was what do I have not who can come up with the first negative response?
Of, course that is one of your strong suits.

and billyboob you too, like nett said there was no claim it was one in a million or that it was THE new morph, the closest thing was the remark that it would be cool if it was genetic.
And hell yes it would be cool.

why do you guys have to be so damned negative all the time?

It is a very interesting look and at this time we have no true idea what caused it.
gentic.. doubt it
a look that may be possible through selective breeding...never know but it could be possible.
freak of nature...most likely
but no matter it is definitely not the norm and to some of us, worth our interest.
If you don't think so, just ignore it.

Well Jimmy, why don't you explain to me how saying 'Looks like a normal to me, what's the big deal?' is "negative".

Is the 'negative' part me saying it looks like a normal, or me saying what's the big deal? Post shed pictures show a normal to me, what does it look like to you?

I'd be willing to bet that within a few sheds this snake look like regular normal or miami phase. There are a ton of threads every year about people who hatch 'snows' out of amel x amel clutches and within a few sheds those 'snows' are amels. To me, this is a similar thing. If it's not, then it's like Frank Pinello's blotched/faded bloodred that I don't believe ever produced anything similar.

So, imo, it's either nothing, or it's some look that was caused by some in the egg problem.

So we're supposed to 'ignore it' if we don't think it's something new and cool? Are you being serious? This is a discussion forum, and if you can't tolerate or handle someone saying that it's probably just a normal, then you need to find some better way of spending your time, or you need a thicker hide. I find it interesting how you're in a big hissy fit over what I said, yet Nett had no comment on it. I really hate how in every 'what the heck is this' thread, a bunch of people have to start off screaming, 'it's something new!!!!!!' when it's most likely not. The thread originator knows this, so again I ask, what's the big deal? Does me saying it looks like a normal somehow negate your interest in the snake? If not, there's no issue and certainly no reason to call people out for being 'negative'.

Maybe I'll start calling people out for being too positive...

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

well

I wasn't going to post anymore but I will post a quick answer to Joe.

"It looks normal to me...What's the big deal?"

As much as you try to talk your way out of it now, it was obviously meant to be dismissive.
I am not the only one who found the statement to be such.
Anything you add now does nothing to change that.
I felt you were rude and I called you on it.
Now you are pissed and want to start a nice long, useless string of nonsense to show how "right" you are and how "wrong" I am.
Well sorry, I can't play....I have to be home by sunset....LOL

 

[Joejr14]

Oh yes, I'm so pissed that I created a huge post of BS to try and change what I said....

 

[Drizzt80]

So, imo, it's either nothing, or it's some look that was caused by some in the egg problem.

I started in on you Joe, and will state that my problem with your original post was that it was dismissive. That snake is obviously NOT 'just a normal' nor is it 'nothing'. Your snows turning to amels is a great example . . . you've seen many of them in the past . . . how many of these 'normals' have you seen??!!

Secondly, how do you know it's an egg problem? How do you know it's NOT genetic. You speak in definite absolutes about things that can't be definite absolutes at this point.

D80

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

you guys are serious nobody could give my questions a grown up answer but had to use pokemon refrences. That is so lame.

 

[diamondlil]

Not being a genetics whizz or anything, but having bred guineapigs and gerbils as a hobby in the past, I'll try, Raiden.
The only way the anery could be in any way said to be co-dom would be if the animal was a chimera, which can occur when the cells from 2 individuals become fused, but also if a change occurs in the early stages of development. In humans this can be seen in some genetic disorders such as trisomy 21 (Down's sydrome) when only a percentage of cells rather than all can be affected. If the change in colour expression for this snake happened during it's early development, that could maybe explain why it would express normal colouring in most of its body, and the changed colour in certain areas.
This would be a developmental 'mistake' and probably not be reproducible deliberately, but it looks like an amazing snake to me, 'just' a normal but with some genetic change to it's colour expression that makes it unique

 

[diamondlil]

I can see why breeders would be more excited about a trait like this if it was reproducible, but haven't seen quite such negative responses when Rich posts his oddballs in his forum........................ :shrugs:

 

[Susan]

I can see why breeders would be more excited about a trait like this if it was reproducible, but haven't seen quite such negative responses when Rich posts his oddballs in his forum........................ :shrugs:

I have to agree with you. That hatchling is definately not "just" a normal, although it over-all color would be considered normal and NOT anerythristic, not even a little bit. Whether it is a genetic trait or not will have to be determined in the future. For that matter, whether the color will stay the same or change will also have to wait for the future, albeit perhaps not as long a wait. The coloration looks similar to, but not as extreme as, Frank Pinello's bloodred shown on page 182 of Kathy's new book. Personally, I like the effect and would love to see it prove out as genetic.

And as for all the arguments and name-calling on this thread...grow up!

 

[Roy Munson]

you guys are serious nobody could give my questions a grown up answer but had to use pokemon refrences. That is so lame.

Lacking a serious (or "grown up", if you prefer) answer, I attempted to introduce some levity into this thread. Forgive my lameness. I was playing Pokemon well into my thirties, so it was certainly not an attack on your maturity. Please re-sheath your sword, Almighty Raiden. Advice from an old man to a young one (and to many others): lighten up. It's jsut sankes!1!! :crazy02:

 

[Nett]

LOL.........Come on guys .......I asked for opinions and got several ...Some nice and some not so ..........The nice ones I thank ...The not so ....Well some just dont mince words and say what they feel ...... No problem and I thank those as well ....I have been breeding for over 17 yrs now ,produced around 10,000 corn babies during that time and have never seen a baby like this ...... I just think the lil Stoney man is very kool and will totally enjoy seeing him grow and change ......