What would be interesting with a motley sunglow?

[sketch1]

Hi everyone.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have suggestions on what might make an interesting breeding project?

Right now I have a 7 mo. old female motley sunglow, who still has a way to go before breeding, but I'd like to start looking for a male to raise for breeding also.

This will be more for personal curiosity and interest, as opposed to trying to make money, so I'm pretty open to suggestions.

Thanks, everyone!!

 

[Kat]

Anything with motley and/or the amel gene would produce non-normal offspring. If you want an interesting project, why not pick up an amel bloodred to pair with your snake?

-Kat

 

[sketch1]

That does sound pretty interesting..

I was trying to think of something that wouldn't re-introduce white into the offspring, as the sunglow has none.

I think the Sunglow and Amel. Bloodred sounds like a pretty good idea.

So what would I end up with if these two were bred?

Also, any suggestions on who might have a nice Amel. Bloodred?


Thanks for the suggestion!!

 

[Darin Chappell]

You would end up with amels, het for motley and bloodred. They would likely span the spectrum as far as white being present, but some of them would be more toward the sunglow side of things. Those would be my keepers. In the F2 you could expect, amels, amel bloodreds, amel motlies, and amel motley bloodred (1/16 chance for this last one).

Don Soderberg has great amel bloodreds, but others have nice examples as well. Good luck!

 

[Chip]

First, get a sunglow male!

If you breed a motley sunglow with an amel or regular, you will lose the sunglow in the offspring. See, sunglow is not a gene, per say. Motley will come back, amel will come back, but sunglow is a specially bred amel. It's like asking a domberman to breed with a sheep dog and trying to inbreed it's offspring back until you get another doberman. You can get things that look kind of like that, but not likely quite what it was. That's how Kathy Love put it to me. In other words, sunglow isn't a gene, amelanistic is the trait that would pass down.
Amel bloodred, as Kat wisely mentioned, would make a fun project! If you got a regular motley, you could figure out some genetic background info, too. Motley sunglows are one of my fave morphs (and worth some money) so trying to make some more of those couldn't hurt either!

 

[Serpwidgets]

Motley "Sunglow"...

One of the effects of the Motley pattern is to thin the borders, which would explain why that is.

I think it's pretty hard to find a motley amel with much white on it. At least they don't seem too common. AAMOF I don't ever recall seeing an amel motley with significant white, but that may be because nobody shows those ones off.

So in this case, I would suspect that the "no white" aspect is at least partly a function of the motley trait being present, as opposed to selective-breeding.

So even if you bred it to a standard (non-motley) selectively-bred sunglow, you could end up with a clutch where all of the hatchlings have lots of white on them.

Any double morphs involving amel could be used to get "whatever that is, plus motley" such as AmelBloodred, Butter, Opal, Snow, Blizzard.

Either way, I would think you'd likely get a good proportion of "no white" motley sunglows in the F2 generation if you breed to any type of amel-based morph, except maybe reverse Okeetee.

There's also Striped Amel, which would get you striped motley amel (most likely "no white") offspring in the first generation.

To my tastes, Kat's plan is the best... it's actually the first thing I thought of as soon as you mentioned motley sunglow. Breeding it to an amel Bloodred would be the best way I can think of to enhance that look. Those F2s, should be very cool.