What would i get?

[captaincaveman]

hi again guys, im just wondering what morph i could expect from a male reverse okeetee and a female crimson het stripe

Thanks

 

[DAND]

Normals het for amel, hypo and possible het stripe.

 

[captaincaveman]

Thanks, but normals? what happens to the crimson and okeetee patterning?

 

[DAND]

Short of one having a hidden trait that the other has they will all be normal.

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

normals

like Dand said, normals.

reverse okeetee is an amel
crimson het stripe is a hypo het stripe

when you combine an amel with a hypo het stripe
50% normals het amel het hypo
50% normals het amel het hypo het stripe

of course those numbers are not likely to be exact and the only way you would know which might possibly be het stripe would be through breeding trials.

 

[cornsnakekid92]

If you are still confused it is because Each parent gives one one gene, so the crison will give the normal gene for the locust that amel is on and the RO will give a Amel gene making it het for Amel

NN x AA=NA Or het for amel

 

[captaincaveman]

thanks guys. the morph side is all new to me. with either of these snakes, what would be best to breed with for interesting results. ive got

ghost
amel
creamsicle
normal

as well as those two, and possibly getting an anery too(not sure if to get a or b)

thanks again

 

[DAND]

thanks guys. the morph side is all new to me. with either of these snakes, what would be best to breed with for interesting results. ive got

ghost
amel
creamsicle
normal

as well as those two, and possibly getting an anery too(not sure if to get a or b)

thanks again

It would help to know what the sexes are of them first.

 

[captaincaveman]

ive just found out the crimsons not a crimson but a normal(in the pics section) my now normals het for stripe, so ive just got a hypo normal motley het for stripe to go with her to breed. The reverse okeetee is male and i was wondering if other morphs could be obtained with it(eg which female morph to put with him and what id get) or if to get another reverse okeetee and just breed them as reverse okeetee's(hope thats not too confusing)

someone explained to me tonight in person more about morphs and its a lot more involved than i thought, i was foolishly under the impression that any two morphs together would result in something else, but i now know this isn't the case

oh its all so confusing, but slowly making more sense :headbang:

 

[JAG 32]

You may also want to check out Chuck's Genetic Tutorial. http://serpwidgets.com/Genetics/genetics.html

 

[gwb8568]

here are a few programs that might help.........

http://www.cornsnakes.nl/ (click on genetic wizzard)

http://home.comcast.net/~spencer62/cornprog.html

http://www.serpwidgets.com/Morphs/morphs.html

 

[captaincaveman]

Thanks again, both your posts are excellent and ive finally got somewhere to start from

Thanks again

 

[Susan]

....so ive just got a hypo normal motley het for stripe....

Since I've seen you use this terminology twice, it isn't necessary to call a hypo a "hypo normal" to differentiate it from, say, a hypo anery (most commonly called a ghost). Personally, I love hypo motleys and would like to see some pics of yours!

 

[captaincaveman]

Since I've seen you use this terminology twice, it isn't necessary to call a hypo a "hypo normal" to differentiate it from, say, a hypo anery (most commonly called a ghost). Personally, I love hypo motleys and would like to see some pics of yours!

Its a common corn thats hypo motley, so would you just call that a hypo motley? and then everyone would know its a common corn with reduced black and motley? is that right?

 

[jazzgeek]

Its a common corn thats hypo motley, so would you just call that a hypo motley? and then everyone would know its a common corn with reduced black and motley? is that right?

Correct.

regards,
jazz

 

[captaincaveman]

Im getting there slowly :cheers: just been playing with the cornprog program and thats really helping.

Another question ive got is what about breeding from related? Is this a no-no or is it common place?

 

[jazzgeek]

Another question ive got is what about breeding from related? Is this a no-no or is it common place?

Very commonplace. That's how you get many of the desired traits in a project.

For example: I'll be breeding an amel to a lavender this season; the end goal is to create the Opal morph. As both have unknown hets, I expect the first clutch ("First Filial Generation", or "F1"s) to be all normals, het for lavender and amelanistic.

Now, breeding two siblings from this first clutch to create the "F2" clutch would predict to a 1-in-4 chance for each egg in the clutch to be normal or amel or lavender or opal.

As has been stated previously in this thread, reading Serp's genetics tutorial (and also, playing with any of the genetics "predictor" software packages) is a great start to understanding what your possibilities are for a particular breeding pair.

And that's when you've crossed over to the dark side completely. You're no longer a pet reptile owner; you've become a full blown junkie.

regards,
jazz

 

[captaincaveman]

Very commonplace. That's how you get many of the desired traits in a project.

For example: I'll be breeding an amel to a lavender this season; the end goal is to create the Opal morph. As both have unknown hets, I expect the first clutch ("First Filial Generation", or "F1"s) to be all normals, het for lavender and amelanistic.

Now, breeding two siblings from this first clutch to create the "F2" clutch would predict to a 1-in-4 chance for each egg in the clutch to be normal or amel or lavender or opal.

As has been stated previously in this thread, reading Serp's genetics tutorial (and also, playing with any of the genetics "predictor" software packages) is a great start to understanding what your possibilities are for a particular breeding pair.

And that's when you've crossed over to the dark side completely. You're no longer a pet reptile owner; you've become a full blown junkie.

regards,
jazz

thanks again, ive been struggling to find a non related reverse okeetee female to go with my male for ages(as i want to breed these as they are one of my favourites)and all along i dont need to.......

does it affect lifespan or mental issues, as it would in some mammal species?