What's the difference between a carolina corn and a normal?

[Skyespirit86]

I know of the different normals which come from different regions, ie the okeetee, kisatchie, rosy rats and the miami. Disregarding these, and the normals produced from cross breeding with these, I thought the 'normal,' colour was Carolina. But I daresay over time what with selective breeding and gaining various hets the colours and markings will be affected slightly and even if the snake came from a carolina background and is normal, it does not look the same as it would in the wild. Is a Carolina corn like a purebred normal?

 

[bitsy]

I've never seen "Carolina" used to refer to a line-bred version of Normal in the same way that e.g Miami would be.

I don't believe a Carolina is a locality morph, just a slightly more exciting way of referring to a bog-standard Normal. Can add a couple of dollars to the price for the unwitting!

 

[Nanci]

Isn't that just what they call the wild-type corns in Europe?

I was just reading somewhere, the thread about black corns? about how captive snakes differ in coloration from their wild counterparts due to less UV exposure or something. There was a great post about that.

 

[Velvet]

I think "Carolina" corn is just a trade name for normals in the UK, probably invented to get them to sell quicker or something. Carolinas (that I have seen) are normals in every sense of the word and not linebred to look a certain way (like miamis).

Also, I stand corrected but Kisatchies aren't normals, they are a sub species of corn snake (Pantherophis slowinskii) or a different species all together?

 

[KJUN]

I know of the different normals which come from different regions, ie the okeetee, kisatchie, rosy rats and the miami. Disregarding these, and the normals produced from cross breeding with these, I thought the 'normal,' colour was Carolina. But I daresay over time what with selective breeding and gaining various hets the colours and markings will be affected slightly and even if the snake came from a carolina background and is normal, it does not look the same as it would in the wild. Is a Carolina corn like a purebred normal?

A "Carolina corn" SHOULD be a normal corn in which ALL of the ancestors came from "one" of the Carolinas. You'll see "Florida corns" the same way. In actuality, the name is usually synonymous with "normal." Don't assume it is a state-locality nor assume it will look reliably different from anything just called a NORMAL. The Carolinas are too large to have any specific look - those snakes are JUST normals......

BTW, Kisatchie cornsnakes are NOT just a different looking cornsnake. Rosy Ratsnake USED to be considered a different subspecies, but Kisatchies are still considered a different taxa from "red" cornsnakes. Crossing a Kisatchie rto a "Carolina corn" makes another useless hybrid - not an cornsnake with a different look.

KJ

 

[suecornish]

I've never seen "Carolina" used to refer to a line-bred version of Normal in the same way that e.g Miami would be.

I don't believe a Carolina is a locality morph, just a slightly more exciting way of referring to a bog-standard Normal. Can add a couple of dollars to the price for the unwitting!

That's about it, a few more dollars for those how don't know any better. I have seen normal corns refered to as "Normal", "Classic" and "Carolina"; bottom line, they are all normals. Okeetees are normal corns that come from the Okeetee Sports Club area of South Carolina. Sort of like a locality corn.

 

[Skyespirit86]

When using the latin name elaphe guttata and you wish to specify the exact variant, can you put another guttata on the end then, for any normal corn which is bred, or is that only reserved for purebred or wild caught normals? Can you use it for the morphs?
Do you put an extra guttatus on the end of Pantherophis as well if the above is true?

 

[KJUN]

You SHOULD only do it if it is an accepted subspecies.....and there has to be at least 2 subspecies accepted for there to be a trinomial name. Rosy's aren't an accepted subspecies, and emoryi are now considered a different species. If you consider Kisatchie corns a subspecies of cornsnakes following the newest available data (as I do), then corns are g. guttata ...otherwise you can't use the trinomial name. That doesn't matter if you use Elaphe, Pantherophis, or Pituophis. The only thing that changes is the ending as you go from one genus to another (i.e., -a verus -us)
KJ.