tsst
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First of all thanks for your service. Yep repulicrats and demicans are the problem. Sorry for your tough luck job wise, you work for a lousy employer. :shrugs:
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White House Blaming the Shutdown on....
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TheFrogman
Im just old
I apologize If I sound like an angry American, Im not. I have a great job but your right my employer sucks but unfortunately my employer, is going to put all of us Americans on the bread line if they don't get their stuff together.
tsst
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No need to apologize. Disenchanted Americans speaking out is what is needed.
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Angry? Not at this instant.
Disenchanted? Yes, since the late 70's, early 80's.
Note, and my mother struggled to finish raising and put three kids through college with no help from their father nor any other entity.
Also note, I recognize degree, and I understand the plight of those who have been unable to survive without outside assistance. I have lived thru times right on the edge of the border between "can do alone" and "need help".
As I get older, I find myself less verbal and more nervous/worrying.
I remember an old comedic line : "The opposite of progress is congress."
Observing history, time and again, things often have to get worse before they get better. I would like to think I will still be alive to enjoy the day when these present things-worse become things-better.
I am not overly optimistic.
Disenchanted? Yes, since the late 70's, early 80's.
Note, and my mother struggled to finish raising and put three kids through college with no help from their father nor any other entity.
Also note, I recognize degree, and I understand the plight of those who have been unable to survive without outside assistance. I have lived thru times right on the edge of the border between "can do alone" and "need help".
As I get older, I find myself less verbal and more nervous/worrying.
I remember an old comedic line : "The opposite of progress is congress."
Observing history, time and again, things often have to get worse before they get better. I would like to think I will still be alive to enjoy the day when these present things-worse become things-better.
I am not overly optimistic.
tsst
Deuce is watching!
You and me too my friend. I feel bad for what my kids will have to endure making up for today's shortcomings.
Michael823
New member
Laws are ever restricting to human freedom, the rich keep getting richer, and every politician seems to believe that arguing in theory is more effective to our human survival than leading by practice, as they continue to use laws against us to protect their own personal constituents. It seems like we're transitioning into a society of royalty that people actually enjoy contributing to.. I'm less angry with the politicians than sickened about our willingness to comply so easily. We're a nation of people that would (as a whole) rather be spoonfed our lives and confined, than be free and willing to take a few bumps. And no great nation of people have been such a way, without accepting vulerability at the expense of freedom.
The shutdown was essentially our own fault. If we continue to allow this system (Dem/Rep) to have such an unchallengeable power, we have to accept the inevitable abuse of that power against us. And we collectively (myself included) have been culpible in that mockery of Govt' that we were dragged through.
The shutdown was essentially our own fault. If we continue to allow this system (Dem/Rep) to have such an unchallengeable power, we have to accept the inevitable abuse of that power against us. And we collectively (myself included) have been culpible in that mockery of Govt' that we were dragged through.
TheFrogman
Im just old
I disagree with Michael and his way of thinking, I will make a brief comment and then back out of this thread altogether because I disagree with so much and again, being from the DC area, nothing good can ever come from political discussion. Yes our laws are in fact Laws that restrict human freedom and the rich are getting richer and the poor continue to pay the band. But we are not a nation of people that want to be spoon fed, we are a nation of people that want to it for ourselves and figure it out on our own but its our Government that is trying and wants to spoon feed us bull. The shutdown was not our fault, it was our 100% our Governments fault and that way of thinking to me is ridicules to me. We are not allowing our Government to have an unchallengeable power, we don't have a choice. Its not we the people anymore, its we the Government, they don't listen to us and we the people have no power to change it other than vote for the funniest clown in the rodeo and hope he does well, and we can protest but that does absolutely nothing anymore. We can not govern a country like our Government wants to, IT DOES NOT WORK ! Its been tried and it has always failed. I don't think Obama lied about a thing, he just didn't read the 900 page law on his own AHC Act, he hired a lacky to do it for him who failed so essentially he just didn't understand hi own law. Obama, Cruz, and the DB Speaker Boehner are the majority of our nations problem and need to go ! Ok, I'm out !
Michael823
New member
Here's where I disagree, and please, don't feel so overwhelmed with my opinion to feel that you should end the thread. Civil disagreement is a good thing.. but we are in control of our own destinies in this country. The constitution will always hold the most power for it's people, we just need to be respectful and good enough to eachother to not allow the 'powers that be' come in through the backdoor while we're throwing fisticuffs with our neighboors in the front lawn.
Take the Black Panther Party as a template of social revolution (60's-70's, not the 'New BPP). Black people, as a whole, at that time, were under more Gov't oppression than I hope to ever see in my lifetime, and yet, even in such a condition, leaders like Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton and Stockley Carmichael were able to use their knowlegde of their constitutional rights to form an organization that helped (on a small but important scale) to cloth, feed, educate, provide healthcare and private, self-controlled militarization for protection against the system trying to capture them.. and in terms of someone like Bobby Seale, he worked within his legal rights to help form the party, and he's gone on to change some of the dangerous policies themselves. Angela Davis in another great figure of leadership from that movement.
Point being, there is so much more power in educated masses than any system could try to contain.. we're half way there by having the overwhelming majority, we just need to turn off our TV's and try to become an educated, strong, vigilant majority. Then no power can even tempt us with what we can do for ourselves.
Of course there are MANY factors in this discussion. Blaming one thing would be convenient, but irresponsible. It's a collective problem. But I'm more than hopeful that a solution exists. Like anything else, it's a matter of time and patience.
Take the Black Panther Party as a template of social revolution (60's-70's, not the 'New BPP). Black people, as a whole, at that time, were under more Gov't oppression than I hope to ever see in my lifetime, and yet, even in such a condition, leaders like Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton and Stockley Carmichael were able to use their knowlegde of their constitutional rights to form an organization that helped (on a small but important scale) to cloth, feed, educate, provide healthcare and private, self-controlled militarization for protection against the system trying to capture them.. and in terms of someone like Bobby Seale, he worked within his legal rights to help form the party, and he's gone on to change some of the dangerous policies themselves. Angela Davis in another great figure of leadership from that movement.
Point being, there is so much more power in educated masses than any system could try to contain.. we're half way there by having the overwhelming majority, we just need to turn off our TV's and try to become an educated, strong, vigilant majority. Then no power can even tempt us with what we can do for ourselves.
Of course there are MANY factors in this discussion. Blaming one thing would be convenient, but irresponsible. It's a collective problem. But I'm more than hopeful that a solution exists. Like anything else, it's a matter of time and patience.
Michael823
New member
"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found
out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon
them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words
or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the
endurance of those whom they oppress." -- sums it up for me.
out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon
them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words
or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the
endurance of those whom they oppress." -- sums it up for me.
Nova_C
New member
Reagan and Clinton both had shutdowns during their presidencies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govern...d_States#List_of_U.S._government_funding_gaps
TheFrogman
Im just old
Yes they did, but the Government responded much differently during that time.
I never said they didn't have shutdowns during their term, I said they would have done a better job working the situation, I remember Clinton telling Congress that they COULD NOT go home for the weekend until they came to a resolution
TheFrogman
Im just old
Your missing the point, I'm out of this thread.
Nova_C
New member
All you've said is that Obama has no balls and Clinton would have done a better job. You've offered no reason whatsoever for this reasoning other than your insistence that you're right. Okay. All I've offered is the facts. Clinton had two shutdowns during his presidency, one of them lasted for 21 days. I haven't even really disagreed with you. I wasn't following Clinton's presidency at the time, so I have no idea how he handled the shutdown.
If your idea of a debate, or even a discussion, is everyone simply taking your word for it and aligning their point of view to yours just because you make a post then you're going to be disappointed. I'm a sceptic. I question everything. Ask anyone here, it drives everyone crazy because I don't accept anyone's word for it.
If your idea of a debate, or even a discussion, is everyone simply taking your word for it and aligning their point of view to yours just because you make a post then you're going to be disappointed. I'm a sceptic. I question everything. Ask anyone here, it drives everyone crazy because I don't accept anyone's word for it.
tsst
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Just sharing something passed to me ...
During the 3-1/2 years of World War 2 that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the U.S. produced 151 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks.
We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.
It's worth noting, that during the almost exact same amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a functioning web site. :grin01:
During the 3-1/2 years of World War 2 that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the U.S. produced 151 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks.
We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.
It's worth noting, that during the almost exact same amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a functioning web site. :grin01:
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Nice .