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Your Religious Views

Are you...

  • Theist (Religious)

    Votes: 73 43.2%
  • Agnostic (Unsure)

    Votes: 29 17.2%
  • Atheist (Not religious)

    Votes: 67 39.6%

  • Total voters
    169
I am Mormon! Now before the jokes come, REAL Mormons do not marry multiple women or under age women!!!!! The people you see on the news have all been excommunicated from the church of The Latter Day Saints. And started what I see as a cult.----- Evolution??? HA! HA! HA! Whens the last time you seen a monkey evolve into a man? :roflmao: :noevil:
 
dizzl said:
I am Mormon! Now before the jokes come, REAL Mormons do not marry multiple women or under age women!!!!! The people you see on the news have all been excommunicated from the church of The Latter Day Saints. And started what I see as a cult.----- Evolution??? HA! HA! HA! Whens the last time you seen a monkey evolve into a man? :roflmao: :noevil:
I saw a monkey evolve into a man. I think it was the same day I dug up a bunch of revelationary golden plates in my backyard and read them with my magical crystal glasses. That was before the plates were poofed to heaven before anyone else could examine them. :roflmao: :crazy02: :wavey:
 
There were no magical glasses and the plates did not poof to heaven. They were lost during persecution from other religious groups. :laugh01:
 
Roy Munson said:
I saw a monkey evolve into a man. I think it was the same day I dug up a bunch of revelationary golden plates in my backyard and read them with my magical crystal glasses. That was before the plates were poofed to heaven before anyone else could examine them. :roflmao: :crazy02: :wavey:

I'm actually gonna step in here, Roy (Is it Dean? I'm trying to keep up here :p). This is an unfair comparison. There is actual evidence as to the existence and process of evolution. :grin01:
 
Nova_C said:
I'm actually gonna step in here, Roy (Is it Dean? I'm trying to keep up here :p). This is an unfair comparison. There is actual evidence as to the existence and process of evolution. :grin01:
Yep, but no evidence for monkeys turning into men. It is a retarded, straw-man sound-bite argument. We and the great apes share a common ancestor that was also an ape, but not an ape that lives today.
 
Roy Munson said:
Yep, but no evidence for monkeys turning into men. It is a retarded, straw-man sound-bite argument. We and the great apes share a common ancestor that was also an ape, but not an ape that lives today.

Heh, yeah, I was gonna say that, but I didn't want to sound pedantic (Not that you're being pedantic). I grew up in a church-going family, but my own research into evolution has convinced me of it's existence. In fact, the more independent research I do the more I think that if God exists, the church is doing it all wrong. :p
 
Nova_C said:
Heh, yeah, I was gonna say that, but I didn't want to sound pedantic (Not that you're being pedantic). I grew up in a church-going family, but my own research into evolution has convinced me of it's existence. In fact, the more independent research I do the more I think that if God exists, the church is doing it all wrong. :p
The church isn't god..it's only people.Who tell you how to read your religious text, and interpret it. The church is for lazy researchers, Read and prey is what god said, not listen to the guy asking for something to better his life.
 
Once again...

I haven't read this thread but have skimmed it so I have just a few thoughts.

I always thought atheist was someone who didn't believe God existed, not not religious. I believe in something. I don't believe God is necessarily a sentient being who knows all and has always been or always will be. Perhaps God is a mystique along the lines mother nature. By that I mean the balance of nature. But I believe religion was an invention of man first of all to scare people and keep them in line. Second to explain things they could not prove scientifically. More people have died in the name of God than for any other cause.
The Bible is full of contradictions.
Believe in God, not religion.
Religion is for people who are afraid of hell; spiritualism is for people who have been there.
 
dizzl said:
I am Mormon! Now before the jokes come, REAL Mormons do not marry multiple women or under age women!!!!! The people you see on the news have all been excommunicated from the church of The Latter Day Saints. And started what I see as a cult.----- Evolution??? HA! HA! HA! Whens the last time you seen a monkey evolve into a man? :roflmao: :noevil:
Ridiculous...thrity-some pages of peaceful, respectful, and delightful debate, insight, and exchange of ideas.

And then this nonsense. If you can't state your opinion without implying that all others are "laughable"...you should probably avoid religous discussions...

...especially when the religion you are practicing is the youngest religion known to modern man, and has no historical background beyond North America...??should I add my "roflmao" emoticon here, or simply let it sink in??
 
Cflaguy said:
I don't believe God is necessarily a sentient being who knows all and has always been or always will be. Perhaps God is a mystique along the lines mother nature. By that I mean the balance of nature. But I believe religion was an invention of man first of all to scare people and keep them in line. Second to explain things they could not prove scientifically. More people have died in the name of God than for any other cause.
The Bible is full of contradictions.
Believe in God, not religion.
Religion is for people who are afraid of hell; spiritualism is for people who have been there.

Very interesting comment--thanks Cflaguy. To follow up on, and perhaps to amplify and to focus the implications of Roy's comments: This sounds like what Thomas Jefferson and his pals would have called Deism. And as I understand it, about 25% of those polled in the US who identify themselves as "believers" fall into this category--they don't believe in a personal deity, a deity who make sure your toast comes out perfectly, and who makes sure one's children aren't abducted on the way to school. But (and I think this is what Roy has in mind) this is an awfully metaphorical kind of "god." So why bother with the metaphor? Especially when we have what Jefferson didn't, namely Darwin, Einstein, and a scientific and technological revolution that helps us understand much more about the world and the universe than anyone knew in 1800. Just because science doesn't explain everything, why should we discard it when it comes to questions that can't be answered with absolute precision? Would Copernicus have achieved what he did if he simply gave up and said: "These anomalies in the heavens are just part of the mystery of the universe--why should I bother trying to figure them out?" Even when the explanation is incomplete and flawed (as, to some extent, it was with Copernicus before Galileo, Kepler, et al.) it's usually better than: "I don't understand this, let's assume there's a magical and supernatural entity behind it so I don't have to think so hard." Most of us now take the germ theory of disease for granted; folks living in the fourteenth century had no such theory, and they could afford to believe in a god in their efforts to find a cause for the various ill effects they saw in the world (e.g., the Black Death). Science has a pretty good track record, and not just because people have "faith" in it (this is a canard), but because it does a great job of correcting itself when it is wrong. If someone found precambrian rabbit bones, I can't imagine a biologist who wouldn't change his views on evolution. Isn't it possible to be spiritual, and to have a sense of the numinous--to have a sense of awe at the power and mystery of the universe--without needing to assume that there is some sort of supernatural, divine force behind it? Reading a poem by Keats can be a powerful spiritual experience--but not because there's a god lurking somewhere behind the poem. There's an awful lot I don't know about overhauling a transmission in my car. Why should I be so bothered by not knowing specific details about the origins of the universe that I need to assume that there's some supernatural cause behind it?
 
Snakespeare said:
Very interesting comment--thanks Cflaguy. To follow up on, and perhaps to amplify and to focus the implications of Roy's comments: This sounds like what Thomas Jefferson and his pals would have called Deism. And as I understand it, about 25% of those polled in the US who identify themselves as "believers" fall into this category--they don't believe in a personal deity, a deity who make sure your toast comes out perfectly, and who makes sure one's children aren't abducted on the way to school. But (and I think this is what Roy has in mind) this is an awfully metaphorical kind of "god." So why bother with the metaphor? Especially when we have what Jefferson didn't, namely Darwin, Einstein, and a scientific and technological revolution that helps us understand much more about the world and the universe than anyone knew in 1800. Just because science doesn't explain everything, why should we discard it when it comes to questions that can't be answered with absolute precision? Would Copernicus have achieved what he did if he simply gave up and said: "These anomalies in the heavens are just part of the mystery of the universe--why should I bother trying to figure them out?" Even when the explanation is incomplete and flawed (as, to some extent, it was with Copernicus before Galileo, Kepler, et al.) it's usually better than: "I don't understand this, let's assume there's a magical and supernatural entity behind it so I don't have to think so hard." Most of us now take the germ theory of disease for granted; folks living in the fourteenth century had no such theory, and they could afford to believe in a god in their efforts to find a cause for the various ill effects they saw in the world (e.g., the Black Death). Science has a pretty good track record, and not just because people have "faith" in it (this is a canard), but because it does a great job of correcting itself when it is wrong. If someone found precambrian rabbit bones, I can't imagine a biologist who wouldn't change his views on evolution. Isn't it possible to be spiritual, and to have a sense of the numinous--to have a sense of awe at the power and mystery of the universe--without needing to assume that there is some sort of supernatural, divine force behind it? Reading a poem by Keats can be a powerful spiritual experience--but not because there's a god lurking somewhere behind the poem. There's an awful lot I don't know about overhauling a transmission in my car. Why should I be so bothered by not knowing specific details about the origins of the universe that I need to assume that there's some supernatural cause behind it?

Spooky, because I actually wrote a little spiel about Deism, and then I decided to go the simple route. You've nailed what I tried to say precisely. I can see the appeal of the watchmaker-god to those skeptics who lived before science really took off. He wound it up, and walked away. But it seems as if science is always crowding that guy (or Guy) out as evidence mounts for natural explanations for what was once unexplainable.

You posed my real question to the non-affiliated better than I did: "Why bother with the metaphor?"

:cheers:
 
dizzl said:
I am Mormon! Now before the jokes come, REAL Mormons do not marry multiple women or under age women!!!!! The people you see on the news have all been excommunicated from the church of The Latter Day Saints. And started what I see as a cult.----- Evolution??? HA! HA! HA! Whens the last time you seen a monkey evolve into a man? :roflmao: :noevil:

No it's true mormons don't have multiple wives anymore. But the mormon god did command via his prophet on earth that they should at one time. And conveniently changed his mind about the time Utah was looking to be a state. Don't you find it odd that God is so fickle and answerable to nations on earth? After all, the prophet speaks to him directly and his word is God's.. You'll find the same thing with the church implying black men were the son's of Cain and cursed, and later black men to hold the preisthood after racism was no longer socially acceptable.
I think there's a bright future out there for the Mormon church because of their doctrinal flexibility. :grin01:
If you believe their numbers, they are the fastest growing church in the world. Then again they still count me, and I haven't been to church for almost 20 years..
 
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Roy Munson said:
I can see the appeal of the watchmaker-god to those skeptics who lived before science really took off. He wound it up, and walked away. But it seems as if science is always crowding that guy (or Guy) out as evidence mounts for natural explanations for what was once unexplainable.

Yes, this is the key point, isn't it? At what point is science so successful that one needs to side with it rather than superstition? Again, not for reasons of faith, but because it can be tested and analyzed, and because its proofs can be reproduced and scrutinized. Just as astrology has given way to astronomy, perhaps it's time for theology to give way to philosophy and reason and science.
 
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