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Zig-Zags?
- Thread starter Melinie
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Darin Chappell
Very Senior Hillbilly
Part of the problem is that zig-zag patterns do not appear to be the result of a simple recessive gene, so it is not completely predictable in breeding trials. So, some big breeders (one specifically to whom I have spoken about the subject) have determined not to continue in their breeding projects with zig-zags.
Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
They're still out there, but you'll probably be seeing more Aztecs, which is a variant of the Zigzag. I, personally, love the Zigzags, and will continue to breed them. I'm also working on trying to mix the zigzag pattern with motleys and stripes. The project is still very young, so I haven't got a clue as to what sort of results I'll have.
Melinie
Once Bitten, Less Shy...
Here is why I asked....
I find this young lady simply stunning! Her temperatment, her color and her pattern.
I love the deep, rounded sway back and forth, of her pattern.
Recently I spoke with her breeder, and it is felt that she may throw a certain percentage of this pattern, no matter who I breed her to.
This is just great with me.
I've just bred her to my HUGE Coral Snow for her first clutch, as her intended FUTURE Lavender mate (she is het Lav), is not yet large enough.
I find this young lady simply stunning! Her temperatment, her color and her pattern.
I love the deep, rounded sway back and forth, of her pattern.
Recently I spoke with her breeder, and it is felt that she may throw a certain percentage of this pattern, no matter who I breed her to.
This is just great with me.
I've just bred her to my HUGE Coral Snow for her first clutch, as her intended FUTURE Lavender mate (she is het Lav), is not yet large enough.
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Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Zigzags can produce some zigzag offspring when bred to a non-zigzag, but the percentage tends to be low and the amount of zigzag pattern tends to be less. Every so often, you can get a really nice patterned offspring from such a breeding, but this is rare. The chances of getting a higher perchentage of nicely patterned offspring will increase when both parents show the pattern, and get even better if both parents are highly patterned. But even then, you can get non-patterned offspring in a clutch! This is one of the things I like about zigzags...the unpredictability of what's in the eggs!
This tiny female is from a highly patterned amel zigzag that I bred to a typical non-patterned snow last year. She's still very small for her age, but never refuses a meal and is growing steadily. I'll be taking new pics sometime in the near future.
This tiny female is from a highly patterned amel zigzag that I bred to a typical non-patterned snow last year. She's still very small for her age, but never refuses a meal and is growing steadily. I'll be taking new pics sometime in the near future.
Melinie
Once Bitten, Less Shy...
Oooooh! Pretty!
Wow, it certainly looks like you've got some motley and/or stripe going on there!
I'm not particularly breeding FOR ZigZag, but certainly won't mind if they come along!
Miethos has two very zagged parents! Looks like about 70% of each of their bodies.
She is around 50% zagged, and in a very clear, distinct pattern.
She is currently just past blue for a pre-lay shed.
This will be her first clutch, bred to my Coral Snow.
The anticipation is already killing me!
I know they will all be Normals this time (some het for Snow & Hypo, and some het for Snow, Hypo & Lavender.), but I'm interested in seeing how many carry the ZigZag pattern as well.
Next year will be interesting -
She will (hopefully) be bred to my perfectly-saddle-marked Lavender ("Lazlo") from Rich.
I know that breeders have worked hard to get that perfect pattern, and get AWAY from the ZigZag in Lavenders, but I like it.
Besides, I have other girls who will make more of those perfect little patterns with him next year.
Wow, it certainly looks like you've got some motley and/or stripe going on there!
I'm not particularly breeding FOR ZigZag, but certainly won't mind if they come along!
Miethos has two very zagged parents! Looks like about 70% of each of their bodies.
She is around 50% zagged, and in a very clear, distinct pattern.
She is currently just past blue for a pre-lay shed.
This will be her first clutch, bred to my Coral Snow.
The anticipation is already killing me!
I know they will all be Normals this time (some het for Snow & Hypo, and some het for Snow, Hypo & Lavender.), but I'm interested in seeing how many carry the ZigZag pattern as well.
Next year will be interesting -
She will (hopefully) be bred to my perfectly-saddle-marked Lavender ("Lazlo") from Rich.
I know that breeders have worked hard to get that perfect pattern, and get AWAY from the ZigZag in Lavenders, but I like it.
Besides, I have other girls who will make more of those perfect little patterns with him next year.
Melinie
Once Bitten, Less Shy...
No, from my understanding of it....
.....they do not.
As a matter of fact, it's relatively rare to find a 100% ZigZagged snake. Although Kathy Love has come pretty darn close.
I'm told that this is why most breeders don't want to work with this pattern - It is so unpredictable.
From what I've been told, if a snake has any ZigZag history, and is at least 25% zagged, one could call it a ZigZag, and expect the pattern to show up (in varying degrees) in some of it's offspring.
But, again, it is an irratic gene, and will 'play with your mind'.
.....they do not.
As a matter of fact, it's relatively rare to find a 100% ZigZagged snake. Although Kathy Love has come pretty darn close.
I'm told that this is why most breeders don't want to work with this pattern - It is so unpredictable.
From what I've been told, if a snake has any ZigZag history, and is at least 25% zagged, one could call it a ZigZag, and expect the pattern to show up (in varying degrees) in some of it's offspring.
But, again, it is an irratic gene, and will 'play with your mind'.
Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
This is the mother to the hatchling posted above. She is the most Zigzagged in my current collection, although I had a normal female that had a solid wide zigzag that went almost her entire length (it only broke at her tail where she had 2 normal blotches). Unfortunately, she died before I had a decent camera (4 years ago).
zig-zag/aztec
Hi there,
Is there any difference between zig-zags and actecs.
Many people meke references to both but I dont know the difference.
I have a corn that I bought as an aztec. if you search "aztec" you will see a couple pics.
he's a bout 10 months and close to 3 feet long.
Hi there,
Is there any difference between zig-zags and actecs.
Many people meke references to both but I dont know the difference.
I have a corn that I bought as an aztec. if you search "aztec" you will see a couple pics.
he's a bout 10 months and close to 3 feet long.
Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Mykal
Very beautiful snake you have there!
Aztecs are a variation of the zigzag morph, like sunglows and candycanes are variations of amels. The below link is to a pic of one of Rich's aztecs, showing an "ideal" pattern to this morph.
http://www.serpenco.com/cultivars/aztec.html
(hope it works)
This is a pic of a more "classicly" marked zigzag from my collection.
Very beautiful snake you have there!
Aztecs are a variation of the zigzag morph, like sunglows and candycanes are variations of amels. The below link is to a pic of one of Rich's aztecs, showing an "ideal" pattern to this morph.
http://www.serpenco.com/cultivars/aztec.html
(hope it works)
This is a pic of a more "classicly" marked zigzag from my collection.
Melinie
Once Bitten, Less Shy...
ZigZag vs. Aztec
In the Corn Snake Manual, Kathy Love describes the ZigZag pattern as (and I'm paraphrasing) taking a normal dorsal pattern with normal squarish blotches, slicing those blotches long-ways, and sliding one side of them forward so that they are half-circles (half-blotches) that are touching/connected at their edges (see pic of my Miethos above).
Ideally, I guess it should look like the 'Rick-Rack' that is sold in sewing stores to sew onto clothing for decoration.
Further, the Aztec pattern is refered to as a form of ZigZag that "...is broken up into an unpredictable pattern of irregular blotching, streaks, and spots." and "...an asymmetrical pattern...".
This would imply that the original 'ZigZag' pattern would look cleaner, and more symmetrical, and that the 'Aztec' pattern would be an "...unpredictable chaos..." of pieces of pattern, making each of them even more interesting than the next.
I like the word "chaos" in describing the randomosity of the Aztec pattern.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
In the Corn Snake Manual, Kathy Love describes the ZigZag pattern as (and I'm paraphrasing) taking a normal dorsal pattern with normal squarish blotches, slicing those blotches long-ways, and sliding one side of them forward so that they are half-circles (half-blotches) that are touching/connected at their edges (see pic of my Miethos above).
Ideally, I guess it should look like the 'Rick-Rack' that is sold in sewing stores to sew onto clothing for decoration.
Further, the Aztec pattern is refered to as a form of ZigZag that "...is broken up into an unpredictable pattern of irregular blotching, streaks, and spots." and "...an asymmetrical pattern...".
This would imply that the original 'ZigZag' pattern would look cleaner, and more symmetrical, and that the 'Aztec' pattern would be an "...unpredictable chaos..." of pieces of pattern, making each of them even more interesting than the next.
I like the word "chaos" in describing the randomosity of the Aztec pattern.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
what do I have?
Melinie and Susan,
thanks for your info, but what does that make my snake a zigzag or an actec? I think it is more of a zigzag based on the info you've given me.
I'm not that fussy, I'm just curious in the event that I get asked, I won't sound dumb.
I bought my corn because I loved the pattern when I saw him, and havent seen many like him around.
Melinie and Susan,
thanks for your info, but what does that make my snake a zigzag or an actec? I think it is more of a zigzag based on the info you've given me.
I'm not that fussy, I'm just curious in the event that I get asked, I won't sound dumb.
I bought my corn because I loved the pattern when I saw him, and havent seen many like him around.