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If you had a 300g/2y.o female, would you breed her?

Kanchii

Kanchii

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If you had a two year old female that was already 300g, would you breed her? I know the general rule of thumb is 300g/3 years old, but just wondering what some of the breeders on here would do in that case.

Thanks!
 
I would wait. Yeah, she is of the right size, but that doesn't necessarily mean she is completely developed. If you think about it, a thirteen year old girl could have a baby, but is she ready?

JMO!

Wayne
 
medusacoils said:
I would wait. Yeah, she is of the right size, but that doesn't necessarily mean she is completely developed. If you think about it, a thirteen year old girl could have a baby, but is she ready?

JMO!

Wayne
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But isn't sexual development directly linked to size in reptiles?
 
medusacoils said:
I don't know and not knowing wouldn't be worth the risk for me. That would also throw the whole 300g/3 year rule out the window. Then everyone would only have to worry about weight.

Again, JMO!

Wayne
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isnt there 3 things in the rule of threes?
 
I tend to agree with Wayne on this one the general rule of thumb is 3yrs/300gms/3 feet long. There are several genetic things at play there. Age will allow time for organs to develop, weight allows for the snake to have enough resources to sustain it's self and the eggs, length allows for space to house the eggs. At least that is the way I understand it.

I am not a biologist nor a vet but I do know that a female who is not ready, risks egg binding and even death. For me it is not worth the risk to rush it. I would rather wait to ensure that my girls are in the best physical condition that they can be. For the 300 gms, I will not even breed if they are a soft flabby 300 gms, I would prefer they are a firm toned 300gms or better yet 400+.

These are just my opinions.
 
I would not be in a hurry either and would likely wait myself, but now I'm curious about the age/sexual maturity relationship.

When in doubt, however, take the conservative route and wait.
 
i knew there were three threes!
thanks tisha for mentioning the third three
bonus points to the person that knows
1. how many ounces 300 grams are
2. how many meters 3 feet are
and
3. how many moons 3 years are
 
Great guys, thanks! I don't have a 300g/2 year old, but at the rate my cayenne fire girl is growing she probably will be there at 2 years. But I'll wait till she's 3 to be safe. She's to precious to risk losing!
 
@ Kanchii - For breeding purposes the female must fit all 3 criteria, not one or not two, all three.

@ Asbit - 100% correct.

@gelshark - 10.6 ounces = 300 grams, 3 feet = 0.9144 metre, 1095 moons in 3 years.

Ciao
 
I'd be much more comfortable breeding a 250 gram 2 year old than a 300 gram one.

One thing the "rule of 3" doesn't cover is muscle tone. Females who are overweight and don't have good muscle tone, have more trouble than leaner, more fit ones. It's hard to get a 300 gram two year old that is in good shape. To get to that size, most of them have been fed so much that they've spent more of thier life digesting than exercising. If she does get to 300 grams by the time she is two, I'd give her another year but start skipping about one meal a month so she can spend some more time cruising her cage.
 
What if the female is large but muscular? I have a very quickly growing 09 who is not "power fed" and is very muscular (I handle her a lot and she does a lot of climbing). While I'm in no rush to breed her and almost certainly won't be until '12, I could easily see her hitting 300g by the time she's two, and I doubt she would be fat, with as much exercise as she gets.
 
carol said:
I'd be much more comfortable breeding a 250 gram 2 year old than a 300 gram one.

One thing the "rule of 3" doesn't cover is muscle tone. Females who are overweight and don't have good muscle tone, have more trouble than leaner, more fit ones. It's hard to get a 300 gram two year old that is in good shape. To get to that size, most of them have been fed so much that they've spent more of thier life digesting than exercising. If she does get to 300 grams by the time she is two, I'd give her another year but start skipping about one meal a month so she can spend some more time cruising her cage.
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Yep! The "rules" are a decent enough guideline, but they don't address everything. If you have a four year old, four foot long, 400 gram female with bad muscle tone, you wouldn't want to rely on the "rules" alone to make your decision.
 
Emily1188 said:
What if the female is large but muscular? I have a very quickly growing 09 who is not "power fed" and is very muscular (I handle her a lot and she does a lot of climbing). While I'm in no rush to breed her and almost certainly won't be until '12, I could easily see her hitting 300g by the time she's two, and I doubt she would be fat, with as much exercise as she gets.
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I would still wait just to be sure. I very rarely break the 3 year old rule, and when I do I take a lot of factors into account and have had a lot of experience seeing what body types do well with it and which don't. It is possible to have a female be a fit 300 grams by age 2 but it takes a lot of handling and effort. It's better to wait, but I don't want anyone to be so wrapped up with the 3 rules that they breed thier 500 gram overwieght 3 year old and have massive problems.
 
carol said:
I would still wait just to be sure. I very rarely break the 3 year old rule, and when I do I take a lot of factors into account and have had a lot of experience seeing what body types do well with it and which don't. It is possible to have a female be a fit 300 grams by age 2 but it takes a lot of handling and effort. It's better to wait, but I don't want anyone to be so wrapped up with the 3 rules that they breed thier 500 gram overwieght 3 year old and have massive problems.
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Makes perfect sense.

Like anything else, the "rule of 3's" would appear to be a general guideline and to be used with personal discretion. :)
 
rolandslf said:
@ Kanchii - For breeding purposes the female must fit all 3 criteria, not one or not two, all three.

@ Asbit - 100% correct.

@gelshark - 10.6 ounces = 300 grams, 3 feet = 0.9144 metre, 1095 moons in 3 years.

Ciao
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On the moons point, did he man nights you can see a moon? Full moons? New moons? ? ?

There are 13 Full moons each year so for that form of the question the answer would be 39, just some FYI :)
 
@ Carol - I agree with you 100%, it is muscletone which is used to lay the eggs etc., and take away some of the strain of producing and then laying said eggs. I have found however that overweight Corns either do not allow the males to hookup, or do not produce eggs.

@ carnivorouszoo - I factored in the belief that whether the moon is full, new, quarter, seen or unseen, as sure as there are 4 seasons in a year there is a moon every night. Because we do not see it, does not mean it is not there. Just an observation.

Ciao
 
LOL, that is true! The moon is indeed there weather we see it or not but its still begs the issue of how the question was really meant lol! Any who . . . .:p
 
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