New health care bill

[wade]

It's a good thing you are a long way away Susan. Boy I'd .....

Maybe Sarah, No probably not. But I might vote for her husband or her sister. Sarah has had her moment in the sun.

 

[Nozomi]

Dear Lord, Susan, you gave me the first honest laugh I've had all week. XD

 

[LBoz]

Dear Lord, Susan, you gave me the first honest laugh I've had all week. XD

Don't encourage her...she just goes Bwabwabwa...on and on and on!! :sidestep:


LOL! (loves ya, Sus!)

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

wow...I took a pass on this thread because I'm Canadian, and thought I wouldn't have much input...but when It kept growing and growing I wanted to see what was being said. I was really interested in how people in the states, people I know from other conversations, were reacting to this rather large shift in healthcare...
I didn't get a really clear picture on that, but I did see many posts from someone that I didn't recognise... I dont understand why Lexi would want to be so hurtful and rude at what I see as little to no provocation. I get that this is a very heated topic...but seriously? "all i hear is bawwwww...." was SO out of line. Mean for the sake of being mean, and nothing else. I have in the past, Lexi, enjoyed your posts. But I've lost my respect for you, not only for that post, but because you've said you don't give a crap about what I think, or how I feel, because we've never met and I live so far away. You don't care about what any of us think or feel, you SAID that in plain English and I've taken it personally, as I would expect everyone who reads it would. Thats how it seems to be intended. If it was just directed at Lori, then you would have said that. You said 'a group of people' and thats a group I concider myself a part of. THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY. I joined this forum to make friends. I care about my friends. I value my friends weather they are in my town and I see them daily, or if they are online and I type to them whenever. They're my friends. You dont seem to subscribe to that way of thinking. So fine. Your not here to make friends. At least now you've made that much clear.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, Rosie. Next time someone tells me I'm the "laughing stock" of an online community I will be sure to grovel and beg forgiveness, rather state my honest opinion. Let me be be clear; I don't care if people DON'T like me, and I appreciate when people DO like me online. But neither one really makes a difference to my real life.

Im English and have loooong term experience of a federalised health system- so let me clue some of you in on this...

There is no guarantee that this will improve matters for everyone - in fact so far as I can see it wont due to its own structure - but it WILL improve matters for some - namely those who dont have/cant afford private healthcare but are not so poor as they qualify for medicare/medicaid etc...

Will it be worth it - a resounding YES if its properly funded and that is the most important thing - It has to be properly funded. If its not it could turn out badly.

The NHS in the UK is patchy at best - for two of the conditions I have that are rare, doctors dont have a clue, but then they wouldnt have either if I had private cover. Different areas allow different things to be funded which has sometimes led to court proceedings to get things changed (Heparin is one example)

IF the NHS had been funded properly from the start and all the way through then it would be alot better than it is today - as it is it is still one of the better systems in the world (unless you happen to have certain conditions, at which point they would rather you jump under the nearest train, than actually treat you properly and with respect)...

Now - it is true that poor over taxed lil americans will have to pay for it in their taxes - but seriously - you pay less than $3 a gallon for petrol - we pay the equivalent of $12 and thats got nothing to do with NHS taxes... you honestly dont know you are born in comparison to most of europe...

I suspect that, if its done properly, only the people who benefit will pay, in as much as if you state on your taxes you have a personal/family/job related paid healthcare plan - you wont pay - and if you dont and arent elegible for medicare/aid you will... but think about it - the only difference really is that you pay probably about the same amount to the government instead of either out of your wage to the company for coverage or to a private supplier...

I am not saying the NHS is perfect - you could barely find a greater critic than me after what I have been put through by the NHS locally - but even done in a half-assed way subsidised healthcare is better than nothing... and done properly it could revolutionise the health system in the US and as a result the health of the people in general...

This is not some sort of communista plot - you are not going to get invaded by hairy blokes driving Ford Edsels (seriously, that grill - bad FORD pervy stylist). Neither are you going to transform overnight into russian oligarchs with various blonde attractive 'daughters' who make Maisy van der Kamp look like rebecca of sunnybrook farm... (curious?, look up the name, seriously NSFW*). You wanted change and now you've been given it - and to a degree its up to you all to make it work and make use of it...

*Not Suitable for Work (and in the case of that particular pretty girl, I wouldnt be eating or cooking or doing anything with food at the time...)

While your view from across the pond is appreciated, there's really no reason to talk down to Americans. The entire country is not Fox news just like the entirety of the UK is not the Daily Mail.

I think one thing that scares me about this is...ok..what if this bill is a bad thing and helps no one, or does more harm than good. If that is the case, how easy will it be to change it for the better?
Sometimes these things become written in stone and stay in place after being enacted, no matter how bad it is.

(In 1990, my local government under Governor Bruce Sundlin, changed the RI sales tax from 6% to 7%. Rhode Island citizens were assured that it was only temporary, and the old 6% rate would be reinstalled within a few years. Well, 20 years later and nothing has changed. Sales tax is 7%, among the highest in the country....)

I can't comment on state laws, but national bills are always being amended and edited to better suit the population. If the bill sucks, and it's hurting American people and business, then it'll be changed. It may not be fixed until after November, because I'm sure it'll be fantastic fodder for either political party to try and get reelected on, but it will be fixed.

What occured to me while reading your post, Beth, is that so many of these changes are going to come about in x-amount of years, right? So...are they holding back the promise of wonderful changes so they can use it in the next campaign? And what about the changes that go into effect when he's gone? Do you think he'll give a rat's patootie about us then?

... Because money doesn't fall off trees? Something this big takes financing and just like you don't buy a snake before you have the money and the viv for it, you don't enact a huge, nation-altering bill before you have the money for it. I seriously doubt it's some tinfoil hat plan to screw Americans.

You have my vote. I would like to see everyone in Washington DC with no political experience. Let's get real people. Set term limits. No career politicians.

(sorry can't rep you)

But then you end up with people like Jim Bunning who are crazier than an outhouse rat.

 

[Roy Munson]

Thank Zeus I don't have to interpret site rules anymore! You go, girls!

 

[susang]

I can't comment on state laws, but national bills are always being amended and edited to better suit the population. If the bill sucks, and it's hurting American people and business, then it'll be changed. It may not be fixed until after November, because I'm sure it'll be fantastic fodder for either political party to try and get reelected on, but it will be fixed.

....

Are you serious? Your name sake (screen name TR) tried to change health care in America. November of this year you must be dreaming.
Just so you know I am considered a "bleeding heart, left wing liberal", have never voted any party but Democratic, and I don't believe this will work in my lifetime.

 

[wade]

Oh geese Susan, I didn't know you were a Democrat. I've always like you too. You just never know.

 

[TandJ]

wow...I took a pass on this thread because I'm Canadian, and thought I wouldn't have much input...but when It kept growing and growing I wanted to see what was being said. I was really interested in how people in the states, people I know from other conversations, were reacting to this rather large shift in healthcare...
I didn't get a really clear picture on that, but I did see many posts from someone that I didn't recognise... I dont understand why Lexi would want to be so hurtful and rude at what I see as little to no provocation. I get that this is a very heated topic...but seriously? "all i hear is bawwwww...." was SO out of line. Mean for the sake of being mean, and nothing else. I have in the past, Lexi, enjoyed your posts. But I've lost my respect for you, not only for that post, but because you've said you don't give a crap about what I think, or how I feel, because we've never met and I live so far away. You don't care about what any of us think or feel, you SAID that in plain English and I've taken it personally, as I would expect everyone who reads it would. Thats how it seems to be intended. If it was just directed at Lori, then you would have said that. You said 'a group of people' and thats a group I concider myself a part of. THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY. I joined this forum to make friends. I care about my friends. I value my friends weather they are in my town and I see them daily, or if they are online and I type to them whenever. They're my friends. You dont seem to subscribe to that way of thinking. So fine. Your not here to make friends. At least now you've made that much clear.

Rosie,

Not to sound like a a know it all.. What you said there, is the exact impression I got from Ms. I am someone, I demand respect from the first one or two posts she drivaled out.. Believe me, my oldest daughter, who is 15, behaves a lot better than what the wanna be Ring Master acts like.. At some point, a counsler will do you some real good with your anger issues.. At some point you will learn you earn respect, and not demand it.. I am really not concerned whether you like me or not, I just think you are in the need for some real help..

Regardless, of the Health Care bill being passed, its whats hidden inside those 2700 pages that have me in fear..


Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[susang]

Oh geese Susan, I didn't know you were a Democrat. I've always like you too. You just never know.

See they'll even let me on this forum, I hope you still like me. I think the best conversations are between people who can listen with an educated manner or be willing to be educated. So I think we do OK

 

[starsevol]

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... Because money doesn't fall off trees? Something this big takes financing and just like you don't buy a snake before you have the money and the viv for it, you don't enact a huge, nation-altering bill before you have the money for it. I seriously doubt it's some tinfoil hat plan to screw Americans.

But then you end up with people like Jim Bunning who are crazier than an outhouse rat.

PLEASE tell me you are kidding here!! This nation is in debt up to its eyeballs, and we owe money to many other countries. We don't have the money to sustain ourselves for much longer as it is right now. Apparently, Washington DID enact a huge nation-altering bill before they had the money for it!! Where on earth have you been???

 

[LBoz]

That truly IS a laughable suggestion, isn't it? But hey, what's another trillion in debt, give or take?

 

[tsst]

I heard that one of the amendments to the bill was to change a national holiday. July 4th "Independence Day" will be abolished and replaced by March 21st "Dependence Day". :grin01:

 

[LBoz]

ROFL! Nothing would surprise me anymore.

 

[Outcast]

I heard that one of the amendments to the bill was to change a national holiday. July 4th "Independence Day" will be abolished and replaced by March 21st "Dependence Day". :grin01:

That would be the last straw... I would then start collecting more guns and ammo for the impending up-rise, and I would be more than willing to help throw all of the politicians out of DC and see how they last with charges of Treason on their heads.

 

[LBoz]

We wouldn't even be having this health care discussion if one simple law were put into place.

All bills passed by congress will also be applicable to congressmen.

Easy peasy, right? This wonderful HC bill is merely for us little people. Congress will not to be subject to the crap they're forcing on us.

 

[Outcast]

We wouldn't even be having this health care discussion if one simple law were put into place.

All bills passed by congress will also be applicable to congressmen.

Easy peasy, right? This wonderful HC bill is merely for us little people. Congress will not to be subject to the crap they're forcing on us.

Good point, Why shouldn't they put their money where their mouth is.

 

[LBoz]

Good point, Why shouldn't they put their money where their mouth is.

Because the're too busy putting OUR money where their mouth is.

 

[tsst]

Good point, Why shouldn't they put their money where their mouth is.

Not only will they not have to participate it would not surprise me if in the near future as an amendment to some obscure bill they pass a clause to exempt themselves from even having to help pay for it. :shrugs: