tsst
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Another win for AZ! :roflmao: just kidding
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Calls to boycott Arizona are spreading like a virus
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The_Thunderer
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LOL. Here's the thing... they can boycott all they want... but in the end, they STILL have to buy power and water from where???? AZ!!! What a crock...
AZ should hold their feet to the fire and say, "Okay... well, then we'll just charge you a "premium" price for your energy and water." LOL.
tsst
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Think I would almost prefer the illegal immigrants to Los Angelens. :grin01::grin01::grin01:
jpccusa
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ATPSS
Really? the Rachel Maddow Show?
At least she wasn't bashing every republican in the world in this little video...
But, this was just like if I were going to put a link to Rush Limbaugh's website, using it to help my cause....
tsst
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Yep definite utopia! And also a fine example of morality for the country and world. :roflmao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx-8R2juK3A&feature=related
jpccusa
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Not really... There are a lot of shenanigans that goes on here, but like I said, I guess we live where we belong. I am far from being an angel... this place is far from being heaven.
You can't simply dismiss the entire idea of the video because of its source. If you have a problem with the video itself, point out what is wrong with its contents, explain why you are dismissing it, as many people do with the contents presented by Rush L.
tsst
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Her implication (if not flat out accusal) of AZ being synonymous with South African apartheid. And her assumption that LA is somehow a valid barometer for right and wrong in the country or world. :shrugs:
jpccusa
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I guess we can interpret the same video differently.
I thought she was just comparing the fact that blacks had to carry documents at all times in order to not be arrested during SA apartheid to the fact that ethnic people in AZ now have to carry documents at all times in order to not be arrested. :shrugs:
I am sure she is aware that SA apartheid was a different issue than AZ illegal immigration.
As for LA being a barometer, I just felt as if she was applauding the state's decision to boycott AZ, and comparing it to previous instances when similar decisions to boycott were taken.
tsst
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Yep agreed.
Those that post Rush will contend he is "aware" also.
I felt the comparisons were an attempt to bolster the legitimacy of LA's ability to lay judgement on others. Kind of like Mike Tyson giving a lecture on sportsmanship and citing twice in the past where he said thank you. :shrugs:
jpccusa
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What about the important part of the paragraph (about the comparison)? Any comments on why that should be dismissed?
tsst
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I think it's a lame comparison. The old apples to oranges scenario. The appalling treatment of ones own citizens in SA to AZ trying to get a control on what is now an uncontrolled border rush by asking for ID that is federally required. She double speaks by saying they are nothing alike but then attempts to draw the synonymous line between the two. Though the apartheid footage and the 'for not being white' comment clearly revealed her intent IMO.
Snyderman
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I can see both sides of this issue and understand why some Americans whose ancestors came from Mexico, Central America, or South America might feel like they are being singled out for extra scrutiny.
However, I don't understand what the big deal is about the need to "carry papers?" Since the age of 16 I have rarely left the house without legal identification. I feel naked on the very rare occasion that I don't have my drivers license. If stopped by a police officer, I hand him this identification so that he knows who he is dealing with. An Arizona drivers license is all the ID required to prove legal residence. All legal residents who don't drive have a State ID card so they can cash checks and etc. Don't the Hispanic Americans in Arizona ever visit relatives south of the border? Most of my Hispanic friends in Chicago visit relatives and so have a passport. New Mexico visitors to Arizona who are afraid their drivers license won't prove citizenship should carry their passports when visiting -- hey this might come in handy if you want to make a quick trip into Mexico for some cheap booze. The government now has a passport card that is the same size as a drivers license. Get the card and you won't have to worry about your bulky passport. Unfortunately, in the times we are living, there is no excuse for any American not having a passport. The open borders have been closed. You want to visit the Canadian side of Niagara Falls? It won't happen without a passport -- no matter what your ethnic background. It is about a $100.00 for the passport and card, but they are good for ten years.
However, I don't understand what the big deal is about the need to "carry papers?" Since the age of 16 I have rarely left the house without legal identification. I feel naked on the very rare occasion that I don't have my drivers license. If stopped by a police officer, I hand him this identification so that he knows who he is dealing with. An Arizona drivers license is all the ID required to prove legal residence. All legal residents who don't drive have a State ID card so they can cash checks and etc. Don't the Hispanic Americans in Arizona ever visit relatives south of the border? Most of my Hispanic friends in Chicago visit relatives and so have a passport. New Mexico visitors to Arizona who are afraid their drivers license won't prove citizenship should carry their passports when visiting -- hey this might come in handy if you want to make a quick trip into Mexico for some cheap booze. The government now has a passport card that is the same size as a drivers license. Get the card and you won't have to worry about your bulky passport. Unfortunately, in the times we are living, there is no excuse for any American not having a passport. The open borders have been closed. You want to visit the Canadian side of Niagara Falls? It won't happen without a passport -- no matter what your ethnic background. It is about a $100.00 for the passport and card, but they are good for ten years.
jpccusa
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Arizona Fights Back Against Boycott Threats Due to Immigration Law
Arizona Says It Will Pull Plug on LA's Electricity
Arizona is threatening to leave Los Angeles in the dark -- and its air conditioners without power -- if the city doesn't rescind its order to boycott the state over Arizona's tough new immigration law.
"I feel like if you're going to boycott the candy store, you've got to leave all the candy alone," said Arizona Corporation Commissioner Gary Pierce. Arizona provides 25 percent of Los Angeles' power.
"I feel like Arizona is the candy store," he added.
Pierce made his challenge after the Los Angeles City Council's 13-1 vote earlier this month to boycott Arizona and Arizona-based businesses.
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed into law SB 1070 last month, empowering police in the state to stop people they suspect may be illegal immigrants and demand identification.
Los Angeles was among several California municipalities that have voted to boycott Arizona, including San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley, as well as Boston, Seattle and Austin, Texas.
Arizona has started to fight back. Pierce sent a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa Tuesday explaining his stance on the issue and urging him to "reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona's economy."
"If they're really serious about this, then be true to your conviction," Pierce told ABCNews.com. "I would be happy to help them to renegotiate the power agreements so they no longer receive power from Arizona."
"When temperatures rise over 100 degrees we're going to love to have the extra power," he said.
Messages left for Villaraigosa were not immediately returned and Pierce said that he has not heard back from the mayor yet either.
"Mainly my letter is to call [Los Angeles] out for the silliest boycott," said Pierce. "I wanted to get my message across and give them a flavor of how I was feeling."
In the letter, Pierce wrote to Villaraigosa that if L.A. is serious about the boycott, he would be "happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation."
"I am confident that Arizona's utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands," he wrote.
Residents of Arizona are also coming to their state's defense, writing letters to neighboring San Diego, Calif., threatening not to visit the popular tourist destination unless they call off their boycott.
The San Diego City Council, however, never voted to boycott Arizona. The city simply condemned the state's immigration law and voted to urge lawmakers to repeal the law.
Citizens of Arizona have misunderstood San Diego's stance, said Joe Terzi, the CEO of the San Diego Convention and Visitors Bureau, who has been fielding hundreds of e-mails threatening not to visit the city until the boycott is lifted.
"It's a very emotional issue right now and we've received several hundred e-mails concerned about San Diego's City Council vote 7 to 1 to not support the legislation," said Terzi. "The challenge we've had is that they think we are one of the city's that have boycotted Arizona, and that's not the case."
"We are concerned, obviously, because tourism is very important to our destination. It's the lifeblood of the community," he said.
Terzi estimates that San Diego receives 2 million tourists from Arizona every year.
"While people may want to decide to do something [like boycott] because of the symbolism, they end up not changing the issues but instead just hurting people who depend on tourism for their livelihood."
Arizona Says It Will Pull Plug on LA's Electricity
Arizona is threatening to leave Los Angeles in the dark -- and its air conditioners without power -- if the city doesn't rescind its order to boycott the state over Arizona's tough new immigration law.
"I feel like if you're going to boycott the candy store, you've got to leave all the candy alone," said Arizona Corporation Commissioner Gary Pierce. Arizona provides 25 percent of Los Angeles' power.
"I feel like Arizona is the candy store," he added.
Pierce made his challenge after the Los Angeles City Council's 13-1 vote earlier this month to boycott Arizona and Arizona-based businesses.
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed into law SB 1070 last month, empowering police in the state to stop people they suspect may be illegal immigrants and demand identification.
Los Angeles was among several California municipalities that have voted to boycott Arizona, including San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley, as well as Boston, Seattle and Austin, Texas.
Arizona has started to fight back. Pierce sent a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa Tuesday explaining his stance on the issue and urging him to "reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona's economy."
"If they're really serious about this, then be true to your conviction," Pierce told ABCNews.com. "I would be happy to help them to renegotiate the power agreements so they no longer receive power from Arizona."
"When temperatures rise over 100 degrees we're going to love to have the extra power," he said.
Messages left for Villaraigosa were not immediately returned and Pierce said that he has not heard back from the mayor yet either.
"Mainly my letter is to call [Los Angeles] out for the silliest boycott," said Pierce. "I wanted to get my message across and give them a flavor of how I was feeling."
In the letter, Pierce wrote to Villaraigosa that if L.A. is serious about the boycott, he would be "happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation."
"I am confident that Arizona's utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands," he wrote.
Residents of Arizona are also coming to their state's defense, writing letters to neighboring San Diego, Calif., threatening not to visit the popular tourist destination unless they call off their boycott.
The San Diego City Council, however, never voted to boycott Arizona. The city simply condemned the state's immigration law and voted to urge lawmakers to repeal the law.
Citizens of Arizona have misunderstood San Diego's stance, said Joe Terzi, the CEO of the San Diego Convention and Visitors Bureau, who has been fielding hundreds of e-mails threatening not to visit the city until the boycott is lifted.
"It's a very emotional issue right now and we've received several hundred e-mails concerned about San Diego's City Council vote 7 to 1 to not support the legislation," said Terzi. "The challenge we've had is that they think we are one of the city's that have boycotted Arizona, and that's not the case."
"We are concerned, obviously, because tourism is very important to our destination. It's the lifeblood of the community," he said.
Terzi estimates that San Diego receives 2 million tourists from Arizona every year.
"While people may want to decide to do something [like boycott] because of the symbolism, they end up not changing the issues but instead just hurting people who depend on tourism for their livelihood."
The_Thunderer
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LOL. It is about TIME! Bring it on, LA! The Lakers might beat the Suns (and I fully expect them to), but this is one battle that LA cannot win. They want to make a big to do about how we govern our state, well, it is time to take a good look at the possible consequences.
The_Thunderer
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How about this... CALIFORNIA law is very similar to AZ law... and has been in effect much longer... Look for CA Penal Code 834b toward the bottom of the page. Hypocrisy to the hilt...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/webl...interview-la-city-councilman-attacks-ariz-la/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/webl...interview-la-city-councilman-attacks-ariz-la/
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ATPSS
I agree totally, If you boycott a place and you don't take into consideration that you are receiving 25% of your electricity from that place... Be prepared to be up a creek without a paddle..