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Are these Caramels? (Warning: feeding pics)

I see hypo on that caramel type too, very nice yellow looking eyes. The other one I have to say is a classic, but who knows what it is het for. Let us know what hatches!
 
Yep I am now certain of one of the guesses I made. It is a Amber. But the other is just a classic but could have some hets. most of my normals with hets have that kinda classic color.
 
I would not say the second pic is a amber it looks like a real nice caramel. I got one adult male Caramel off RZ that looked just like the snake in the second pic
 
Vinman said:
I would not say the second pic is a amber it looks like a real nice caramel. I got one adult male Caramel off RZ that looked just like the snake in the second pic
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Thanks, I don't believe that it is an Amber, though it may be het hypo. He was VERY dark as a baby. His black is black, though it may look grey through the tub. I think the male is just a really nice Caramel.
 
abell82 said:
Thanks, I don't believe that it is an Amber, though it may be het hypo. He was VERY dark as a baby. His black is black, though it may look grey through the tub. I think the male is just a really nice Caramel.
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I noticed that myself I said that belly pattren loos too dark to be hypo also thr color is off. It dont have that translucent greenish/gold tinge ambers have. yours is more of a solid yellow

here is one of my ambers
 

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Update: All of the eggs from this breeding went bad... just in time for her to spontaneously double clutch. Hopefully, maybe the second clutch will be bettter then the first.
 
Well that sucks I was looking forward to seeing what popped out!!

Here are two pics of my Caramel het Amel Hypo Motley

This first is of her at about 3 mths old

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This is her now at 1 yr
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Actually, while I was saddened by all the first clutch going bad, I figured there is always next year.
Now she has layed four new eggs. She has not layed anymore, but has been hanging out in the moist box, I gave her.And now, I fear she maybe egg bound.
I think a trip to the vet is in order, to ensure there can be a "next" year, for her. That is what I think sucks.

Nice Caramel by the way. My male looked very similar as a baby, but he had more yellow on his neck.
 
Dont be so fast to run to the vet. I have had females that retained eggs that passed them with in a month if she is passing eggs then leave her alone and monitor the eggs movement if they are moving down then leave her alone. When they deflate the eggs they have to puncture the oviduct which can make scar tissue. That scar tissue can block eggs from passing down the oviduct next year and may render her useless for breeding

BTW you do have a real nice caramel if it was a amber it would have been a pale amber color as a hatchling
 
Vinman said:
Dont be so fast to run to the vet. I have had females that retained eggs that passed them with in a month if she is passing eggs then leave her alone and monitor the eggs movement if they are moving down then leave her alone. When they deflate the eggs they have to puncture the oviduct which can make scar tissue. That scar tissue can block eggs from passing down the oviduct next year and may render her useless for breeding

BTW you do have a real nice caramel if it was a amber it would have been a pale amber color as a hatchling
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I understand what your saying, but I'd rather have a live pet, then a dead breeder.She passed four, and the 5th has not moved in 24 hrs. I can't get an appointment with the vet, until tomorrow anyway.
 
abell82 said:
I understand what your saying, but I'd rather have a live pet, then a dead breeder.She passed four, and the 5th has not moved in 24 hrs. I can't get an appointment with the vet, until tomorrow anyway.
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Give it a few days to a week since the egg last moved if you have to go to the vet the outcome will be the same . He can still deflate the egg in 2 weeks time if not longer, but you should be safe in 14 days since she first starting laying.
 
@ abell82 I am with you on the "live pet vs dead breeder" issue. I had a girl egg bind this year and she was not even bred. Keep in mind I live in Canada but she is now my most expensive snake, currently she has cost me with purchase price and vet care so far, $1228.43 and she has not been back for her follow up appt or for her sutures to be removed yet. But I can say that if i had it to do again, I WOULD.

Here are a couple of pics of her post surgery while she has been recovering, which i am happy to say seems to be going quite well. The only draw back she has had so far was an abnormal poop but after a good strong dose of NutriBac to put her gut bacteria back in balance (my suspicion is the anti-biotics were killing good bacteria), it seems to be good again.

These were taken before she had her first post surgery shed.
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abell82 said:
I understand what your saying, but I'd rather have a live pet, then a dead breeder.She passed four, and the 5th has not moved in 24 hrs. I can't get an appointment with the vet, until tomorrow anyway.
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I had a girl I thought was egg bound this year. She laid 4 good eggs right away, but then stopped laying. I could see many more eggs and she had one stuck right above her vent. After 24 hrs I decided I was going to aspirate it. However, that day when I got home from work to do it she had passed it (it had been close to 32 hrs at that point). Then she did the exact same thing. She laid the rest of her clutch over the next 2.5 weeks. Passing a single egg every day to every day and a half. It made me nuts!! (unfortunately all of the eggs laid after the 1st four, while they looked OK, all went bad).

Anyways, I'm with Vin, I'd give her at least 48 hours.

And even then if it doesnt pass, I might try aspirating the egg. I had a girl get for real egg bound last year and I ended up aspirating the egg. Afterwards she passed the empty egg, and the rest of her eggs, within 24 hrs.

But at the end of the day, you must do what you think is best for your snake.
 
I should add I also waited in fact, I ended up waiting approx. 2 months from the time that I knew she had eggs before I took her to the vet, they did x-rays and tried to aspirate as well but in the end she needed the surgery and had partially reabsorbed all but two eggs, one of which was stuck in her pelvis, which they had to remove.
 
Well, she had not been bred this year or while I owned her. I had never had a female who had eggs and consulted others for advice and understood that if I left her alone she may either lay the eggs or may reabsorb them. She never did stop eating or change any of her behavior until a week or so before I took her in so I was trying to let her deal with it on her own and not have to put her through surgery.

The vet said that if it would not have been for the one egg that had gotten stuck right in her pelvis she would have been able to lay the eggs. As well that it and the one right beside it were the only ones that did not start to reabsorb on their own.

If you want to see the entire thread I started it is here.http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101595&highlight=Gaea

Sorry abell82 did not want to hijack your thread.
 
Asbit said:
Well, she had not been bred this year or while I owned her. I had never had a female who had eggs and consulted others for advice and understood that if I left her alone she may either lay the eggs or may reabsorb them. She never did stop eating or change any of her behavior until a week or so before I took her in so I was trying to let her deal with it on her own and not have to put her through surgery.

The vet said that if it would not have been for the one egg that had gotten stuck right in her pelvis she would have been able to lay the eggs. As well that it and the one right beside it were the only ones that did not start to reabsorb on their own.

If you want to see the entire thread I started it is here.http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101595&highlight=Gaea

Sorry abell82 did not want to hijack your thread.
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That totally sucks!!!!! So Sorry you had to go through that!!!!!!
 
I'm not upset about the possible "hijack".

I may be being a hypocondriac, (I hope) and she'll pass the eggs, on her own. But I lost another female this year, and the only explanation, I can come up with is that she may have been egg bound. I would rather they aspirate, then do surgery. And My feeling is that they could aspirate it if I don't wait to long.
 
I forget the gauge needle but you can get one from the vet and do it your self. give it another week . the eggs wont harden up by then
 
I successfully aspirated eggs with a 21 gauge needle this year, but I believe 18 would be a better choice. Good luck!
 
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