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Tessera, now in color!!

Golddust Tessera would be pretty . . . . I wonder if an Opal Tessera would be white with the pattern in the peachy-orange you see in the Opal motleys. Now that would be cool! I know my mom would love that, opals are some of her favorites.

Hmmmm, I want go into my snake room and imagine everyone with the Tessera pattern to see what it would look like ~LOL~
 
carnivorouszoo said:
Then you don't have any corn snakes? Why are you here? No one has DNA tested their snakes to prove they are pure. Dog DNA tests cost around $100 EACH dog. Can you really see paying $120 for a normal that has been DNA tested pure corn? The price would have to go up to cover the costs of the test. It doesn't make sense. If you do not think it is "pure" do not buy it its that simple.
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Excellent point. I have had Brutus tested, and he is without a doubt 100% dog. I sleep much better now. He sleeps no better, no worse.
Tara80 said:
LOL Betsy, I had to stop and think about that for a second. I'm sitting here thinking: "Eric has a top pattern and plain sides? And how does Betsy know?"
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I do have a top pattern and plain sides....and I'm wondering just how that info got leaked out onto the interwebz....??? :angry01:
 
Shiari said:
Odd this seems to be a recurring thing with you, Whotty. An addiction perhaps?

Anyways, I am seriously looking forward to tessera sunkisseds. I can't wait to see what bizzaro patterns result from *that*!
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Ya, that would be cool to see what would come from that.
 
Oh Yeah - an Opal Tessera would be great, although I think everyone is getting a bit ahead themselves. Well I guess we can all dream,
Marsha
 
carnivorouszoo said:
Then you don't have any corn snakes? Why are you here? No one has DNA tested their snakes to prove they are pure. Dog DNA tests cost around $100 EACH dog. Can you really see paying $120 for a normal that has been DNA tested pure corn? The price would have to go up to cover the costs of the test. It doesn't make sense. If you do not think it is "pure" do not buy it its that simple.

Back to the OP: I LOVE those snakes! I am so glad I am only 28 and will see this gene become affordable for me in my lifetime.
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By the way, unless they have dramatically improved those dog DNA tests, it is nothing more than a scam in my opinion. One of the breeders that uses our hospital send in a sample from one of his champion Dachshunds. The results came back that it was a Cocker Spaniel mix.
 
Susan said:
By the way, unless they have dramatically improved those dog DNA tests, it is nothing more than a scam in my opinion. One of the breeders that uses our hospital send in a sample from one of his champion Dachshunds. The results came back that it was a Cocker Spaniel mix.
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I wonder if cornsnake vs anything other than cornsnake would be a more accurate test than Canis lupis familiaris "beagle" vs Canis lupis familiaris "pug." Just because the DNA would be more different.

Maybe it would be as simple as "This is the Pantherophis guttatus gene- does this sample contain anything besides that?"
 
Nanci said:
I wonder if cornsnake vs anything other than cornsnake would be a more accurate test than Canis lupis familiaris "beagle" vs Canis lupis familiaris "pug." Just because the DNA would be more different.

Maybe it would be as simple as "This is the Pantherophis guttatus gene- does this sample contain anything besides that?"
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Ecept that some of the other snakes you can make "hybirds" with guttata are quite similar indeed so are likely to share 95-99% of their genome with guttata, so you would need EXTENSIVE sequence info to know what genes are different. Once you knew that you could make a PCR primer for each gene not found in guttata, but you'd need a whole bunch of primers to cover all the other snakes that have been successfully bred with guttata. The project would get expensive.

I think the dog breed project uses SNPs & assumes that certain SNPs are associated with certain breeds, which isn't necessarily as correct as all that. Or they may just totally make it up!

Anyway although the DNA testing to prove the purity of guttata is technically do-able, the cost is probably still way too expensive.
 
Susan said:
By the way, unless they have dramatically improved those dog DNA tests, it is nothing more than a scam in my opinion. One of the breeders that uses our hospital send in a sample from one of his champion Dachshunds. The results came back that it was a Cocker Spaniel mix.
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I sure hope they have improved it since they are setting up a dogy codis for helping prove the dogs in fighting rings are related and that its crossing statelines. They hope this database similar to the human codis (I may be spelling that wrong) will help improve the cases against dog fighting and maybe more in the future.

I am sorry your clients did the test and got such bad results. I wonder if there was a mixup at the lab or if it was just a bad lab. The results are supposed to list EVERY breed in the "mix" not just the main portion.
 
carnivorouszoo said:
I sure hope they have improved it since they are setting up a dogy codis for helping prove the dogs in fighting rings are related and that its crossing statelines. They hope this database similar to the human codis (I may be spelling that wrong) will help improve the cases against dog fighting and maybe more in the future.

I am sorry your clients did the test and got such bad results. I wonder if there was a mixup at the lab or if it was just a bad lab. The results are supposed to list EVERY breed in the "mix" not just the main portion.
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But checking DNA to see if the dogs are related is very different from trying to determine which breed that dog came from. It's similar to a paternity test in people, and since eveyone's DNA is unique, that is easier done than say . . . . oh, trying to determine the ancestry of someone who is a mix of 10 different nationalities. But even that analogy doesn't even begin to take into account the complexity of dog breeds that have been artificially selected for particular traits and line bred extensively, and other breeds added in at some point for a particular trait, then outcrossed who knows how many times because people don't spay and neuter their pets . . . yikes, what a genetic nightmare. A co-worker paid to have it done by her vet and she has some sort of big, shaggy old-english sheepdog/briard looking thing and the only definitive results that came back was that he had Papillion in him ~LMAO~ Right . . . .
 
CodeRed said:
I'd LOVE to see some Lavender Tesseras. WAY out of my price range, but when I can afford it... at the top of my list :) If I ever breed, it'll be with them :p You can have some fun, fun, fun with this gene.
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I second that!!!

Beautiful snakes! Can't wait to see what else comes from this!
 
sweet~nichole~marie said:
Golddust Tessera would be pretty . . . .
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Hopefully in 2011... I have a male tessera het butter and a huge proven Ultra Caramel female (she lays NICE big healthy clutches... plus theres a great proven female ultramel het caramel motley and a Ultra motley caramel young female).... I'm workin' on them.... ;)
 
Why all the ultra/ultramel stuff? I'd love to see them in some of the other single recessives...caramel, lavender, charcoal, etc....
 
MohrSnakes said:
Why all the ultra/ultramel stuff? I'd love to see them in some of the other single recessives...caramel, lavender, charcoal, etc....
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I just have those big proven ultra/ultramel females that I can't bring myself to get rid of... they double clutch and gain weight back quick... big beautiful clutches...

I'm working on that too Jeff.... I have a female Tessera het Ghost stripe thats growing like a weed. I try not to push them too hard so she may not breed until 2012, BUT I think pairing her with a Coral Ghost will be cool... it seem sthat when you breed a coral ghost to a ghost, ~1/2 the litter shows some pink coloration... it'd be neat to begin a Coral Ghost Tessera project (the results should be seen pretty darn quick once it's started).

I never really got into lavender corns other than picking up those lav sunkissed corns last year.... I would start a lav Tessera project but I'm too far behind and just don't have the animals ... I'm sure Don & KJ will have those covered.

I also plan on breeding the original adult Tessera female to my "Halloween" Okeetee next year... sure they won't be het for anything BUT a bright orange snake with nice black stripes will look HAWT! These will probably be my favorites...

You're right though...many of those single recessives will be looking great... simple things... everything gets so confusing when you have triple & quad homos (they are genetic powerhouses BUT darn it's confusing figuring out what is what sometimes).

I'm just working with/on too many projects- I've tried to size back some. I'm glad there's a great group of hobbyists/breeders with Tesseras now. They'll hopefully introduce many of "wanted" Tessera morphs!
 
Wow, that anery is just...wow. But then, everyone knows I love my gray and purple snakes. I'm with Nanci, hypo lavblood tesseras! And charcoal, phantom, and pewter tesseras. Yummy! Oh, and sunkissed can be thrown into any one of those as well. :)

vetusvates said:
I do have a top pattern and plain sides....and I'm wondering just how that info got leaked out onto the interwebz....??? :angry01:
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Facebook. :grin01:

wstphal said:
Ecept that some of the other snakes you can make "hybirds" with guttata are quite similar indeed so are likely to share 95-99% of their genome with guttata, so you would need EXTENSIVE sequence info to know what genes are different. Once you knew that you could make a PCR primer for each gene not found in guttata, but you'd need a whole bunch of primers to cover all the other snakes that have been successfully bred with guttata. The project would get expensive.

I think the dog breed project uses SNPs & assumes that certain SNPs are associated with certain breeds, which isn't necessarily as correct as all that. Or they may just totally make it up!

Anyway although the DNA testing to prove the purity of guttata is technically do-able, the cost is probably still way too expensive.
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Thank you for bringing back Cell/Molec and Genetics memories. Love it!
 
Those sound like awesome projects, Graham! Maybe if I start saving pennies now, I can afford one next summer ~LOL~ I will start a Tessera savings account.

So do you, Don, and KJ discuss who is going to make what kind of Tessera next so there isn't too much overlap of morphs, or is it whatever any of you feel like breeding one to? ~LOL~

Coral Ghost Tessera sounds awesome, btw! And I can't wait to see the Tessera bred to one of your Okeetees! Oh my gosh, that would be so cool!
 
Drewby07 said:
I spoke with Don, and he said it would be ok to post this here. This guy is what we believe to be the first sunkissed tessera
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Wow! Very pretty. I love sunkissed anything. It is amazing how much the sunkissed gene breaks up the 'normal' patterning in other morphs.
 
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