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SamanthaJane13

SamanthaJane13

Gecko Wrangler
My name is Donna, I'm a crested gecko breeder, and this weekend my daughter and I acquired our first three corn snakes at the WNY Herp Society show!! She's only been driving me nuts for as snake for 5 years or so...:duck:

I've done snakes before-RTBs-about 30 years ago, so I figured I'd come here after having your forum recommended by a fellow Fauna Classifieds member.

I'm a total novice at the whole snake morph thing, although I can talk about crested gecko morphs for hours...in my sleep.

I remember 99% of the snake care basics, but I'm here to brush up and improve!!

I'm just afraid that I'll be learning so many new things about corns that it'll knock all my crestie knowledge out of my brain...LOL.

Here are our new beauties!!

Coral-from the breeder-she's "66% possible het Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo. Parents are Normals proven het Albino, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo"


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Kohl-unsexed-was told ? was melanistic-


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And Rose Bud-unsexed-was told ? is a snow-


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Sorry for the lousy picture quality...the snakes were stressing and my good camera is broken.
 
Welcome to the Forum!
I'm pretty sure the second one you got there is an Charcoal. It is a type of Anerythristic (Anery - for short).
I might be wrong but I think thats right.
Well, If you have any questions, dont be afraid to ask. There are alot of helpfull people on this Forum :)
 
Bartholomew said:
Welcome to the Forum!
I'm pretty sure the second one you got there is an Charcoal. It is a type of Anerythristic (Anery - for short).
I might be wrong but I think thats right.
Well, If you have any questions, dont be afraid to ask. There are alot of helpfull people on this Forum :)
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Thank you for the welcome, Bartholomew!! I'm sure the members here are just as friendly as they are at all the gecko forums I belong to!! In fact, I recognize several names from the on-line list!! HI, GANG!!! I'm gonna start by reading, and if I have a question, I'll definitely give a yell!! Thanks again!!
 
Kohl is either a charcoal or an anerythristic (anery for short) and Rose Bud is definitely a snow (anery + amelanistic or amel for short). If RB turns out to be male, call him Bud Rose! Welcome to your newest addiction. As I am sure you know from geckos, reptiles are addictive, nobody can have just one or two! :rofl: My signature represents the population expansion in 1 year, when I joined I had 0.0.1 amel Humphrey and no ACR #
 
Hello SamanthaJane13! Tavia on here but Charis on Pangea. Rose Bud is a snow for sure, Coral an amel (with some impressive hets!) & Kohl is either an Anery A, usually called just Anery or an Anery B which is usually called Charcoal. They can look similar but aren't compatible. Here's a good site for learning some basics about genes. It has pics of almost all the morphs, both baby & adult. There is also a calculator linked to that site that is fun to play around with & see what you'd get.
http://iansvivarium.com/cornsnakemorphs.php
That's the morph guide & here's the direct link to the calc.
http://www.corncalc.com/
 
wstphal said:
Kohl is either a charcoal or an anerythristic (anery for short) and Rose Bud is definitely a snow (anery + amelanistic or amel for short). If RB turns out to be male, call him Bud Rose! Welcome to your newest addiction. As I am sure you know from geckos, reptiles are addictive, nobody can have just one or two! :rofl: My signature represents the population expansion in 1 year, when I joined I had 0.0.1 amel Humphrey and no ACR #
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LOL-I know what you mean. When I started with cresties, in December of 2006, we had just purchased our first unsexed crestie.

Less then 4 years later, we're at 8.7.34 Rhac. ciliatus, 0.2 gecko ulikovskii, 1.0 Beagles, 0.1 Lhasa-poos, and 5.4 felis domesticus.

I've done boas, Leopard geckos, Goldens, Bibrons, anoles, turtles, and a pair of Graceful Chameleons in the past, too.

Wow-I just realized I have no idea of the Latin nomenclature for corn snakes!!

But add 0.1.2 for the snakies!!

And it's funny-when somebody new joins any of the gecko forums I belong to, I always go introduce myself and add..."Welcome to your new addiction!"

The noobs rarely have a clue where they're headed with the purchase of that first gecko, so they think I'm a bit crazy!!

Thanks so much for the welcome!!
 
SamanthaJane13 said:
Wow-I just realized I have no idea of the Latin nomenclature for corn snakes!!

But add 0.1.2 for the snakies!!
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It's Pantherophis guttatus, although I think they were previously Elaphe guttata until the Old World & New World rat snakes were separated.
 
Tavia said:
Hello SamanthaJane13! Tavia on here but Charis on Pangea. Rose Bud is a snow for sure, Coral an amel (with some impressive hets!) & Kohl is either an Anery A, usually called just Anery or an Anery B which is usually called Charcoal. They can look similar but aren't compatible. Here's a good site for learning some basics about genes. It has pics of almost all the morphs, both baby & adult. There is also a calculator linked to that site that is fun to play around with & see what you'd get.
http://iansvivarium.com/cornsnakemorphs.php
That's the morph guide & here's the direct link to the calc.
http://www.corncalc.com/
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ZOMG!!! Charis!! Someone I know!!! Good to see you, girlfriend!!

God-this is all so confusing!!! Crestie morphs are a cinch compared to these guys!!

Thanks for the links!! Maybe I can get a basic understanding without my head exploding.

Okay-level with me. Why aren't Anery A & Anery B compatible??

And PLEASE!!! Call me Sam or Sammy!!! Samantha Jane is my deceased dog...and I still miss her...even with her gone over 10 years.

Yeah-I'm a sap.
 
Almost all of the corn morphs are recessive. They most be carrying two of the genes, one from each parent, to express the trait. Anery A & anery B are on different loci & don't match up. If that makes sense? There are a few members on here that can explain how the genes work in very easy to understand ways, I'm not one of them though.
 
wstphal said:
It's Pantherophis guttatus, although I think they were previously Elaphe guttata until the Old World & New World rat snakes were separated.
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Okay-the Elaphe guttata I'm familiar with...but it's been so long since I read up on snakes!!

Note to self-MUST BUY SNAKE BOOKS!!
 
Tavia said:
Almost all of the corn morphs are recessive. They most be carrying two of the genes, one from each parent, to express the trait. Anery A & anery B are on different loci & don't match up. If that makes sense? There are a few members on here that can explain how the genes work in very easy to understand ways, I'm not one of them though.
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LOL-it does make sense to me...sort of. I have an strangle analytical mind.

So what would happen if you bred them together??
 
You'd get all normals 100% het for both anery A & anery B. If you then bred those babies back to each other, you would get babies homo anery A & anery B or showing both traits.
 
Thanks so much, hon!!

You've been a HUGE help!!

I feel like such a...noob.

A mentally challenged noob.

This is worse than when I started with cresties!!

Sooooooo much more to learn!!
 
Welcome!!! This is a great community and they are very good about sharing their knowledge. Glad you are here!!
 
SamanthaJane13 said:
Okay-level with me. Why aren't Anery A & Anery B compatible??
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Both of them remove red. Somehow they prevent the snake's skin from making red pigment. And if the snake is heterozygous, enough of the necessary gene product (protein) gets made that the snake has the normal amount of red. But they have to prevent different steps in the red-making process, because a double het, het anery A & het anery B, is classic colored. So let's say there are 5 steps in the red-making process for discussion's sake, something like this:

Substance A is turned into B by protein a
Substance B is turned into C by protein b
Substance C is turned into D by protein c
Substance D is turned into E by protein d
Substance E is turned into red pigment by protein red maker

If Anery A is an animal that doesn't have any protein a and Anery B is an animal who doesn't have any protein b then the double heterozygote has 1/2 the normal level of a and 1/2 the level of b and looks normal because a low amount of a or b gets the job done. This means the genes for them are at different loci, maybe even on different chromosomes.

Hypo and strawberry are at the same locus and act on the same protein (we could call it h), so you can have a homozygous hypo snake or a hypo/strawberry or a homozygous strawberry. Amel & ultra, same thing, you can have amels, ultras or ultramels.

Just keep in mind I made up the A, B, C, D etc, I don't know what real geneticists are using as the symbols for corn snake color genetics.
 
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