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O my gosh I want a ball python!!!!

desertanimal said:
Many have missed Lauren's point. Lauren's point was not that life never changes after you've gone to college and have thought you'd settled down. Of course it does. Lauren's point was that when you're in high school, it is almost INEVITABLE (we hope it is, anyway) that life will change and that you haven't settled down. Getting lots of pets always ties you down, but if you're in a situation where you thought you were tied down anyway, it is understandable when you have to make adjustments when you find out things have to change. Getting lots of pets when you KNOW thinks will soon be changing is a different scenario. Getting lots of pets when I think I have a stable job and am going to live in the same spot for a while is totally different from getting a lot of new pets when I know I'm leaving for the field in a year. If people had seen ME acquiring lots of pets when I knew I was going to go where I couldn't care for them myself in a couple of years, they'd say, "Hey, Stephanie, uh, have you got plans for who's caring for that when you go away?" And they'd be perfectly justified in doing so.

And with regard to the analogy about how adults get a dog and then realize they're in over their heads, everyone here would be every bit as up-at-arms about it if they heard about an adult getting two, and three, and four puppies before seeing if they could really take care of one dog. People would say, "Hey, slow down. I think you're getting in over your head." And if their entreaties were ignored, they'd have every right to say, "I told you so" when the person took the dogs to the pound. No one has a problem with people selling snakes. People have a problem with warning people they're getting in over their heads (because they know how it can happen, and they are damn smart and they can see when it IS happening), being ignored, seeing the people they warned selling off lots of their animals, and the people they warned pretending nothing was ever an issue--that they never made irresponsible decisions.

And many have missed Lennycorn's point. Lennycorn was pointing out that David's, "But my situation is special, Lauren, because I have a job in reptiles and know what I'm doing, and after all I don't have very many pets," post was disingenuous, because his pet count was artificially low with regard to the present conversation, because he'd just lost some the week before due to a high-risk heating set-up that he wasn't able to check daily (because maybe he got himself in over his head early on and then his situation changed in ways he can't control because he's a kid, which exacerbated that situation). Anyone with a brain can see that implying, "I only have x, so the criticisms leveled here don't relate to me" is completely disingenuous when the week before the person stating that had x+y and the y were lost in the interim due to what some would consider irresponsible care. THAT'S what Lennycorn was pointing out. He wasn't pointing out David's loss to torture him, he was pointing out David's loss because he thought David's comment smelled funny, and he was saying exactly what he thought it smelled like. (I, myself, was very late to this thread, had the SAME thought when I saw the post, and would have posted similarly had I not then discovered that Lennycorn had already done so.)
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Happy Thoughts means Happy people so lets Be happy before I pull out the ninja skills.........Nitelion
 
desertanimal said:
I am not especially susceptible to ninja skills.
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Have you ever heard another person say that......of course not we showed them all people are susceptible to ninja skills. the people who think they are should change there minds there time is coming...muhahahaha
 
Nitelion94 said:
Have you ever heard another person say that......
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No. I haven't. But then, I haven't heard many people jokingly threaten others with ninja skills. But then, in real life I don't have conversations where children and I interact as if we are peers (or rather, where children interact with me as if they were my peers), as happens on the internet, so perhaps my humor-o-meter is incorrectly calibrated for this conversation.
 
desertanimal said:
No. I haven't. But then, I haven't heard many people jokingly threaten others with ninja skills. But then, in real life I don't have conversations where children and I interact as if we are peers (or rather, where children interact with me as if they were my peers), as happens on the internet, so perhaps my humor-o-meter is incorrectly calibrated for this conversation.
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I do believe this is the best post in this entire thread.
 
Hypancistrus said:
If you have bred an animal, you are responsible for it in my opinion. When a person on this forum said they were freezing perfectly healthy baby corns because the economy had tanked and they couldn't get "what the snake is worth" for each baby, many, many people were up in arms....

In my opinion, selling to a teenager or the average college age student is no different than chucking that snake in a freezer. In fact, freezing them would be preferable to what many snakes sold to kids have to endure before finally passing away.

You would not believe the stories I hear as a teacher who keeps snakes in their classroom about students reptile and small mammal "disposable" pets. Students have had their parents flush frogs down the toilet... tossed hamsters out into fields...

All because the parents didn't want to deal with the responsibility after the kid was no longer interested.
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Perhaps you should have quoted exactly what I posted. That, or read everything I had quoted you with...

If so, you wouldn't have had to make this reply...

AndrewH said:
Unfortunately, unless we full and well know that they cannot give a proper home for the animal in question, it's just not our decision. If they feel they are ready, and well versed in the animal they are purchasing, and they sound intelligent enough in that area... well... that's their decision. It's part of growing and learning. We, as breeders, don't tell them to buckle up when they get in the car, or put a sweater on when it's cold outside. Granted our animals we produce and sell are the epitome of our hard work, unless we know they're just not prepared, it's not our judgment.

It's just not our call to go... eh, well you're 18, so you have a future with college, etc. That's entirely in their court.
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If you have knowledge of them doing something that is rather damaging to the animal, have little to no capabilities of caring for the animals, or are planning on harming the animals; then it becomes a different story. Until then, you cannot judge it on what they plan to do with life.

Seeing what some kids do, so you base it around the entire market of teenagers...

That kind of mentality falls somewhat under what we're fighting right now, eh? There are some bad reptile owners that do certain idiotic things... so the gov't and general public look at us all in the same view and light.
 
That was low calling me a kid. I'm 16 in some places 13 is considered a man!!!!!! I myself think I live in one of those worlds!!!!
 
Nitelion94 said:
That was low calling me a kid. I'm 16 in some places 13 is considered a man!!!!!! I myself think I live in one of those worlds!!!!
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See, that's the kind of thing that ticks people off. How can they have a reasonable conversation with you when you say things like that.
 
Nanci said:
See, that's the kind of thing that ticks people off. How can they have a reasonable conversation with you when you say things like that.
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I'm sorry I was joking but I will do my best to act my age so I can have a reasonable conversation with people.
 
Nitelion94 said:
I'm sorry I was joking but I will do my best to act my age so I can have a reasonable conversation with people.
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Yet, when you attempt to have a mature conversation, especially pushing your maturity; you should shoot childish humor for the most part, out the window. Otherwise, what type of debate do you have to argue, to begin with?

I think I'm done with this conversation. Good luck with your future endeavors.
 
Nitelion94 said:
That was low calling me a kid. I'm 16 in some places 13 is considered a man!!!!!! I myself think I live in one of those worlds!!!!
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This is quite true. And in all such places, the 13-year olds in question undergo very painful initiation ceremonies to prove their manhood--it isn't just given to them. If they fail their initiation ceremonies, they are not considered men. For example, I know a 13-year old who was circumcised on my "dining room" table with no analgesia. Other young men undergo intense scarification over large swaths of their bodies with no analgesia. Other men put their hands in gloves studded with bullet ants until they vomit and pass out from the venom. Young males everywhere are only considered adults once they "act like it," whatever "acting like a man" means in their respective cultures. We'll let you get back to us on that. :rolleyes:
 
I hope that because of this thread not all young snake owners are seen in the same light. I've read this thread and seen that the issue of whether or not young adults or children should be sold snakes has been brought up.Or that because of their age they are unable to take care of their animals. I like to believe in people as individuals. Just because someone has the word "teen" in their age doesn't mean they are unable to properly care for animals. I don't like to advertise my age but I am 19. All my animals are properly cared for and given oodles of love. I am even halfway done in getting my degree pre-veterinary medicine .On the other side of the spectrum I would not have gotten to where I am today if it were not for the more informed (older) people in my life and members of this forum. Anyways what I'm trying to say is that not all young reptile owners should be lumped together and some of the younger members should respect the more experienced members of this site for the information they have contributed. Just my input. :)
 
Outcast said:
I do not think it had anything to do with gall and lecturing, more along the lines of, "I screwed up, please learn from my mistakes."
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That's what I read it as too. I saw someone trying to prevent someone else from going thru similar things by sharing their mistakes.
 
desertanimal said:
This is quite true. And in all such places, the 13-year olds in question undergo very painful initiation ceremonies to prove their manhood--it isn't just given to them. If they fail their initiation ceremonies, they are not considered men. For example, I know a 13-year old who was circumcised on my "dining room" table with no analgesia. Other young men undergo intense scarification over large swaths of their bodies with no analgesia. Other men put their hands in gloves studded with bullet ants until they vomit and pass out from the venom. Young males everywhere are only considered adults once they "act like it," whatever "acting like a man" means in their respective cultures. We'll let you get back to us on that. :rolleyes:
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I am VERY happy with being a kid!!!! I am not a man and do not plan on being so for 2 years unless that also means pain then I can deal with being a kid forever!!!!!!!
 
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