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2 snakes, 1 cage?

susang said:
3. You are exceedingly rude and your tone is way out of line.
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I've seen much ruder comments on this forum. There are two issues that spark very emotional debates - cohabbing and feeding live. The people who actually try to have a discussion about this, those that disagree with the "majority" opinion here, end up being called much worse names than this. "Crap Keeper" springs to mind, and I could find MANY more if I wanted to take the time to compile them.

And, to point it out again, if you look at Kathy Love's opinion on this, you find that it's not so black and white. She has cohabbed on occasion. So the pious people here have "proven" that cohabbing is bad? I would take Kathy's opinion first.
 
I'm no civil engineer, so I'd never dream of lecturing one on how to build a bridge.
Nor am I an equine science major, so neither would I lecture a jackass on how to best be one.
Especially when I see a such a prime example of one braying its' heart out so oafishly.

Perhaps "Patches" will provide us with his/her herpetology degree and/or wealth of knowledge from decades of animal husbandry upon which foundation he/she stands and whinnies at us this laissez-faire approach to the hobby of snake-keeping, so destitute of science of any kind.

The tiresome tirade of the newbie always shortly follows the "I came here to listen and learn from the more experienced" new member introduction speech.
Telling me that down is up and black is white all day long with all your heart until you are blue in the face...will not make it so. Likewise is it neither the role of the newbie(s) to lead.

This whole thing reminds me of an old painting.

The_Parable_of_the_Blind_Leading_the_Blind.jpg
 
vetusvates said:
I'm no civil engineer, so I'd never dream of lecturing one on how to build a bridge.
Nor am I an equine science major, so neither would I lecture a jackass on how to be one.
Especially when I see a such a prime example of one braying its' heart out so oafishly.

Perhaps "Patches" will provide us with his/her herpetology degree and/or wealth of knowledge from decades of animal husbandry upon which foundation he/she stands and whinnies at us this laissez-faire approach to the hobby of snake-keeping, so destitute of science of any kind.
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sorry, i don't speak spanish.
 
vetusvates said:
I know.
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it was a joke. i do that sometimes, it's kind of a habit.

anyways, i'm no expert. i've never claimed to be. all i've been arguing is that these absolute stances everyone takes is counter-productive. i see a lot of half truths, or not painting the whole picture, but i've already said all of that.
 
Not to jump into the argument, but I just wanted to see what your opinions would be, not start a war. All of you can back up your opinions, I'm sure, but it's not worth fighting over. I know plenty of people who have kept them together, and others who haven't. I just wanted a second opinion from all of you... But I will read some more about it. It's not that I don't have room, I can't get another cage, etc. I just wanted to see if it is ok/normal.
 
cornsnakenewbie said:
Not to jump into the argument, but I just wanted to see what your opinions would be, not start a war. All of you can back up your opinions, I'm sure, but it's not worth fighting over. I know plenty of people who have kept them together, and others who haven't. I just wanted a second opinion from all of you... But I will read some more about it. It's not that I don't have room, I can't get another cage, etc. I just wanted to see if it is ok/normal.
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Pshaw. There is no war. Nor do I even look around and see anything that approximates a legitimate fight. :D ;)

You keep asking questions, CSN, and weighing the answers (and answerers) and you'll do fine.
Here, I did a search using the keyword "cohabbing",....you can read allllll the multifarious sides to the story.
By young and old. Neophyte and expert.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2003998
 
Lennycorn said:
Excuse me...has anybody seen my cell phone in here?? I gotta call my cousin Vinny in London. ;)
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:roflmao:
Of course, only Lenny would lose his cell phone in a room full of blind people and then retrace his steps and ask if anyone had _seen_ it....

At least it wasn't in spanish...
 
Lennycorn said:
Yeah, like they're all going WTF is ! :eek:

But I think deaf is a better term.
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True.

"Blind" just worked better with my previous reference to the painting by Pieter Bruegel the Elder of "The Parable of the Blind Leading the Blind" (1568). ;)

I like symmetry. Poetry. Remember?
 
vetusvates said:
True.

"Blind" just worked better with my previous reference to the painting by Pieter Bruegel the Elder of "The Parable of the Blind Leading the Blind" (1568). ;)

I like symmetry. Poetry. Remember?
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ahhh yes. I do remmember now.

And with that, I'll step aside.

Goodnight everyone!!!
 
To sum this up for a newbie, here we go...

Reasons NOT to co hab your snakes

1) If they are hatchlings, one might just eat the other. Rare but it does happen.
2) Corns are not meant to live close to each other, and can be stressed. Stress can lead to regurgitation, lack of a feeding response, illness and a shorter lifespan.
3) 2 male corns in a cage will tend to shove each other around, leading to immense stress in the one that is smaller. This happens if there is a female in the room, during breeding season. (Yes, I have seen it).
4) A female housed with a male will be constantly harassed to breed whether she is ready physically or not. Egg binding and death can occur. (Yes, it has happened to me).
5) Unexpected eggs can result. Fine if you want them and have prepared for them but egg laying takes a huge toll on the female's body and she can lose up to one third her body weight.

Reasons TO co hab your snakes
1) Owner has no space to keep more than one snake. (however, that does not benefit the snake at all. And the fact that the owner has a small place is not the fault of the snake)
2) Ohh they look so pretty together!! (take a picture, put it on your wall, and look at it, but house your snakes apart!)

Funny, isn't it how people who love their animals and care for them the best way possible are called "crazy cat lady bleeding hearts".
I guess people who put their own selfish needs ahead of what is best for their pets are indeed "crap keepers".


Oh, and Eric brilliant post! I tried to rep you but need to spread it around.
You sure have that one pegged!
 
So...Beth...you're the crazy cat lady...???...

Well...that's OK. We both know that far crazier have appeared....and then disappeared....from the scene. :laugh:
 
vetusvates said:
So...Beth...you're the crazy cat lady...???...

Well...that's OK. We both know that far crazier have appeared....and then disappeared....from the scene. :laugh:
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dyk apparently I am!! Funny how I don't even own a cat though!!
And, yes, we have!!! :p
I just ended up spewing diet cola allll over my keyboard, thanx alot darlin'!!!!!!~
 
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