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[Carinata]

and if you are talking to me?

I think one month of Black history doesn't even begin to compare to 100 yrs of slavery.

As for the other groups, no I do not agree to Miss Black America or other orginizations that are ethinic based. La Raza is another example.

But you do have to look back and history and thing about things. We did have white orginizations Free Masons was only whites for a long time. Don't think you find too many Free Masons who are colored. Just saying.

Again this whole election shouldn't be based on race. We have already been there done that and look where it got us. It a whole heap of troubles. Obama wasn't elected because of his grand political gains but merely on the color of his skin. I didn't vote for him, but if a Black man like Colin Powell had ran for president I would of voted for him.


I got back to believe that our presidents should have to have served in the military for atleast 4 yrs before being qualified to run the country.

I wasn't talking to you lol

 

[beautifullywild77]

My husband is a very reglious man and has served his country honorable. He is neither a democrat or a republican. He is an American and damn proud of that. He has traveled all over this world and have been in countries others have only dreamed of. Throughout all this, he would rather be in America and be an American above all else.

There is also the little thing call seperation of Church and State. I believe its in the constitution is it not?

Martin Luther King Jr was an honorable leader. He made huge strides in ending segration and equality. His death was unfortunate, I believe he would of taken things even futher and accomplished a lot more.

But its not times of peace in todays world. If it was there would be no need for military at all. I don't know about you but I feel a lot safer having our guys and girls in uniform.

 

[Rich Z]

There is no question about his nationality, plain and simple! I will not debate, argue or pretend to entertain any other notion (nor would it matter).

Obviously there ARE questions about his nationality, or this wouldn't be an issue of discussion, now would it?

That does seem like incredible insight to have the ability to speak for an entire race, that you've been conditioned to categorize as "blacks" and "whites".

Which seems to be perpetuated by "blacks" continually trying to segregate themselves by drawing their own lines as to which levels of races will be allowed to join the "Black Miss America Pageant" or advertise in the "Black Business Directory", etc. I'm not the one drawing the lines, just observing and commenting on them.

Again, I'm a hamster on a wheel trying to respond to this, but for the sake of someone actually looking to be understanding, I'll try to explain...

It's implied that "Miss America" is going to go to a woman who is white. And I agree with you, the label of "Black Miss America" is absolutely a result of racism. There should be no asterisk like "black, white, Asian, Hispanic", etc... which are intended to demean rather than appreciate. All people are beautiful, but unfortunately for 99.9% of women, they don't have the envied European features that 'most' men value in this prejudice society (in all forms).

Implied by whom? And if certain features are judged as "Miss America" worthy by the judges and that seems to be the crux of this particular issue, then why don't we have a "Miss Fat Miss America", or "Miss Ugly Miss America" as well? Have any of those classes of people decided to segregate themselves in this manner? Or are you simply claiming that female black Americans just cannot compete with women with "European features" in a Miss America Pageant and therefore NEED to be segregated in that manner?

Actually...

"Why is voting FOR Obama because he is black, not racist, and people voting AGAINST him because he is black, IS racist?"

This would be up there for "making a right out of two wrongs", in my observant opinion.

Surprises me not in the least....... But thank you for verifying it.

 

[Nova_C]

Why is voting FOR Obama because he is black, not racist, and people voting AGAINST him because he is black, IS racist?

I've been ignoring it because it's a non-issue. A few outliers does not a trend make. Of course it's a form of racism, but unless you have proof that a significant number of people are voting for him simply because he's black, then you're cherry picking a sample group to produce the results you want.

Which is why I was ignoring it.

No. It is evidence that more blacks are engaging in criminal activity proportional to the percentage of population they hold compared to other races. So yeah, when the cops catch them, then that MUST be racism at work, eh? And then so all of the juries and judges along the way MUST be racist as well? ALL of law enforcement and the legal system in general MUST be racist based on your claim? Or are you now claiming that blacks commit crimes because they are in this manner "asking for change" or they otherwise "need to" and that makes it OK?

So why do you think that more blacks are engaging in criminal activity?

Also, why are non-whites receiving on average longer sentences than white people who commit the same crimes?

 

[beautifullywild77]

Actually there is studies shown that there are more blacks in our prison systems. Perhaps it steams from the level of proverty. Perhaps you should do more research.

Our justice system is one of many which is flawed. Doesn't matter the color of your skin either. A couple commited welfare fraud recieved 687 yrs in prison. However, a mother who murders their own child in cold blood recieved 20-50 yrs. You tell me which is fair?

 

[beautifullywild77]

correction more young black men in prision system.

 

[Rich Z]

I've been ignoring it because it's a non-issue. A few outliers does not a trend make. Of course it's a form of racism, but unless you have proof that a significant number of people are voting for him simply because he's black, then you're cherry picking a sample group to produce the results you want.

Which is why I was ignoring it.

I haven't cherry picked anything. Simply commenting on those videos originally posted and stating the obvious message they portray. And sorry but it IS an issue because certain factions seem to condone this form of racism. Do you condone it?

So why do you think that more blacks are engaging in criminal activity?

I don't know. And it's irrelevant what I think. Breaking the law is breaking the law and those people are in jail because of it. That was a choice THEY made, regardless of any reasons someone on the outside can come up with to try to justify it.

Also, why are non-whites receiving on average longer sentences than white people who commit the same crimes?

I suppose you have some cherry picked examples of this? :laugh:

 

[Nova_C]

Dude, I linked a study in the text. Click it.

 

[Rich Z]

Dude, I linked a study in the text. Click it.

Sorry, but I decline spending the $14 needed to read that article.

Addendum: Say, I have an idea! Why don't we set up a few prisons that make non-black prisoners remain in prison arbitrarily longer to make up for it? How's that sound?

 

[Nova_C]

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/

I'm just googling these at this point. It's pretty well established, though.

Anyway, going back to what you said here:

I don't know. And it's irrelevant what I think. Breaking the law is breaking the law and those people are in jail because of it. That was a choice THEY made, regardless of any reasons someone on the outside can come up with to try to justify it.

This gives the impression that you feel that crime is purely choice, and doesn't have other factors. I mean, I agree that committing a crime is a choice someone makes, but crime has some pretty clear trends that follow poverty, access to education and health care and unemployment. These factors correlate pretty strongly with an increase in crime rates. Whether or not it's a choice becomes less important when you can change the circumstances of that choice. Humans are in aggregate predictable. Prison is a very specific tool meant to only deter individuals from crime, but what if we could simply make it more likely for people to choose to not commit a crime? Shouldn't we do that, then?

Doesn't it make sense to prevent a victim than just punish an offender? Minorities have several generations of economic underprivilege that most white's do not. It takes a lot to level that playing field.

 

[Nova_C]

It occurs to me that we have drifted wayyyy off the topic.

I would love someone to reply to me post about Obama's supposed constitutional breaches, particularly the current brou-ha-ha over over contraception coverage.

 

[beautifullywild77]

I grew up dirt poor and I have never commited a crime!

 

[starsevol]

I just had a thought, it hit me like lightning.....
I think the Republicans are crazy....crazy like a fox.....
Perhaps they know (like I know for sure) that no matter what happens, this country is pretty much doomed. As a nation we are hurtling towards third worldism at the speed of light, and the train wreck about to happen can't be stopped.
So, instead of putting some REAL contenders against Obama, they put up these guys, knowing that Obama will easily win.....

And when the world does fall apart, who gets the blame????

edited to add, I have been a republican most of my adult life, before becoming a libertarian, and this makes perfect sense to me. Even back when I was at the height of my republicanness, I did not like these guys, or guys like them. I have been asking myself for months, are these guys all they could come up with? Are these the best and the brightest??? Now it is starting to make sense.....

 

[Rich Z]

I just had a thought, it hit me like lightning.....
I think the Republicans are crazy....crazy like a fox.....
Perhaps they know (like I know for sure) that no matter what happens, this country is pretty much doomed. As a nation we are hurtling towards third worldism at the speed of light, and the train wreck about to happen can't be stopped.
So, instead of putting some REAL contenders against Obama, they put up these guys, knowing that Obama will easily win.....

And when the world does fall apart, who gets the blame????

That might make sense. Sure would explain why pretty much ALL governments are spending money like there is no tomorrow. Maybe they know something that we don't........

 

[Michael823]

Sorry, but I decline spending the $14 needed to read that article.

Addendum: Say, I have an idea! Why don't we set up a few prisons that make non-black prisoners remain in prison arbitrarily longer to make up for it? How's that sound?

Can I even call this an "idea"? I really don't understand the premise, and I can't honestly appreciate the logic that might have gone into it.

People are the victims of their surroundings, and the outside influences that stand to gain from them. Prison systems are modern day plantations, and if you had done your proper research, you could clearly see the transition from plantations to prison systems (some of which literally transitioned into another).

It's just the 'American' way... preferring big business made mostly at the expense of non-white people and people and the poor, in order to create wealth by those who head it. I won't expect any insight that will jeopardize the truth of this, so I'll leave this open ended by saying that... I absolutely will never win an 'argument' about racism. Until there's an actual level of comprehension for the subject, it will just keep hiding under the surface until it bubbles out.

The hopeful and great thing is that society is changing. The world is swaying in the favor of cultural diversity, and there's nothing more that I need to elaborate on with that.

 

[Rich Z]

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/

I'm just googling these at this point. It's pretty well established, though.

Anyway, going back to what you said here:



This gives the impression that you feel that crime is purely choice, and doesn't have other factors. I mean, I agree that committing a crime is a choice someone makes, but crime has some pretty clear trends that follow poverty, access to education and health care and unemployment. These factors correlate pretty strongly with an increase in crime rates. Whether or not it's a choice becomes less important when you can change the circumstances of that choice. Humans are in aggregate predictable. Prison is a very specific tool meant to only deter individuals from crime, but what if we could simply make it more likely for people to choose to not commit a crime? Shouldn't we do that, then?

Doesn't it make sense to prevent a victim than just punish an offender? Minorities have several generations of economic underprivilege that most white's do not. It takes a lot to level that playing field.

Yes crime is a choice. Maybe an unpleasant one, but STILL a choice, regardless. If you choose that path, then you roll the dice and hope for the best outcome. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. When you lose, don't blame anyone else for your rolling those dice.

As for the extenuating circumstances you indicate, that is up to the judge and jury to decide to incorporate into their decision or not. But until the letter and intent of such laws also incorporate such extenuating circumstances, then perhaps it is best for SOCIETY if the law is truly enforced as intended. Otherwise, I'm sure that a lot more people can come up with their own "extenuating circumstances" to excuse their own breaking of the laws. Which, of course, pretty much negates the reason for having laws in the first place.

As for the link you provide, sorry, but I don't presume to know of what extenuating circumstances the judge and jury may have had to consider that MIGHT have called for extended sentences.

Heck, if someone breaks into my home to try to steal from me or otherwise threaten myself and Connie, "extenuating circumstances" be damned... Or are you recommending that I should have some forms available for them to fill out before I determine which proper response I should make?

 

[Rich Z]

Can I even call this an "idea"? I really don't understand the premise, and I can't honestly appreciate the logic that might have gone into it.

People are the victims of their surroundings, and the outside influences that stand to gain from them. Prison systems are modern day plantations, and if you had done your proper research, you could clearly see the transition from plantations to prison systems (some of which literally transitioned into another).

It's just the 'American' way... preferring big business made mostly at the expense of non-white people and people and the poor, in order to create wealth by those who head it. I won't expect any insight that will jeopardize the truth of this, so I'll leave this open ended by saying that... I absolutely will never win an 'argument' about racism. Until there's an actual level of comprehension for the subject, it will just keep hiding under the surface until it bubbles out.

The hopeful and great thing is that society is changing. The world is swaying in the favor of cultural diversity, and there's nothing more that I need to elaborate on with that.

Apparently you simply fail to recognize the fact that someone DOES comprehend the issues, but just disagrees with your own personal INTERPRETATION and opinion of them. Seriously, it DOES happen in real life.

 

[Rich Z]

It occurs to me that we have drifted wayyyy off the topic.

I would love someone to reply to me post about Obama's supposed constitutional breaches, particularly the current brou-ha-ha over over contraception coverage.

I'm sorry, these weren't good enough?

On January 4th of this year, President Obama named Richard Cordray to head up his new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and three other individuals to vacancies on the National Labor Relations Board, without U.S. Senate confirmation, and without the Senate being in recess, in violation of the Appointments Clause of the Constitution. According to numerous news outlets and sources within the White House, the President declared that he, and not the United States Senate would decide when the Senate was, in fact, in recess.

HHS mandate requiring Catholic and other religious organizations to pay for contraception, sterilization and abortifacient drugs for their employees shows no sign of abating. This is notwithstanding the Obama administration's "accommodation," announced last Friday, that will permit insurance companies to pass the cost of contraception, sterilization and abortifacient drugs along to Catholic and other religious employers - as long as they do so surreptitiously, of course.

During the 2009 bailouts of U.S. automakers GM and Chrysler, the President ran roughshod over contract and even bankruptcy law, subordinating the prior contract rights of senior bondholders to unionized employees, in a political payback for the millions of dollars unions had contributed to Obama's presidential campaign. (To make matters worse, and in what we now know is his typical fashion, Obama castigated those attempting to assert their legal rights as "profiteers.")

And then there is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act itself. Critics raise at least two primary objections. The first is that nowhere does the Constitution give Congress the power to compel American citizens to engage in any commercial transaction, such as buying insurance. Second – and more insidiously – we argue that the Act by its very structure creates incentives and methods for impermissible overreach into what must be the most sacrosanct, private decisions in people’s lives; those which must be free from government coercion.

Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2846961/posts

Simply find in the US Constitution the authority granted to the federal government within for ANY of the above indicated incidents.

 

[Nova_C]

I addressed the first two with my post that I wrote around the same time I think you originally wrote that one.

I'm kinda burned out by looking all this stuff up, so I'm not going to deal with the other two at this time.

 

[Michael823]

Apparently you simply fail to recognize the fact that someone DOES comprehend the issues, but just disagrees with your own personal INTERPRETATION and opinion of them. Seriously, it DOES happen in real life.

There's no personal interpretation of true freedom and equality. It's an all-encompassing human right that would be true whether I was here to agree with it or not, and people can choose to stand for it, or be pushed out of the way by it.