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Monday Night Bones Episode
- Thread starter Outcast
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Tara80
ACR Breeder # 787
I didn't get that at all Aaron, as far as referencing *all* exotics. She was just making a big deal about animals that are feral and clearly should not be kept by a private owner, such as the tiger; which I agree with. It's a terrible industry and one of the largest reasons why so many rare species are going extinct, I don't think it was aimed in any way towards exotic reptile keepers.
Outcast
ATPSS
The image that it depicted against exotic animal owners was absolutly horrid. While I would never keep a Tiger in a private colection I do not think that doing so is wrong, If the person has a permit, and randomly gets inspected for violations of proper housing/care of said animal.
Unfortunately, Tara, people who do not know better and watch the show will associate reptile keepers in the same boat. And, as we have seen in the media and government, reptiles are considered to be exotics.
Also, keeping rare animals in captivity is a small contributor to the extinction of those animals when compared to habitat loss due to human encroachment and illegal hunting for skins and other animal parts/lack of understand of these wonderful animals (can't remember where, but a village recently beat a tiger to death, after chasing it down).
Unfortunately, Tara, people who do not know better and watch the show will associate reptile keepers in the same boat. And, as we have seen in the media and government, reptiles are considered to be exotics.
Also, keeping rare animals in captivity is a small contributor to the extinction of those animals when compared to habitat loss due to human encroachment and illegal hunting for skins and other animal parts/lack of understand of these wonderful animals (can't remember where, but a village recently beat a tiger to death, after chasing it down).
beautifullywild77
Go Penguins!!!
I do not feel like it is ok to own tigers. Like the guy who had the animals who shot the tiger. They way he was keeping the exotic animals were nasty and dirty and unfortunately that is how any people keep these big exotic animals. I believe there are sanctuaries that do a damn good job of keep these animals after amateurs get in over their heads.
It is a show the shows the dark side of things. It showed the dark side of the exotic pet trade. Unfortunately it out there and there are idiotic people that do things like this every day.
As far as Bones opinion, she is very opinionated and you take her with a grain of salt. That is why the show paired her up with Booth to even things out. But she mourned the loss of the tiger. It showed she has more feelings for the animal than for the human.
It is a show the shows the dark side of things. It showed the dark side of the exotic pet trade. Unfortunately it out there and there are idiotic people that do things like this every day.
As far as Bones opinion, she is very opinionated and you take her with a grain of salt. That is why the show paired her up with Booth to even things out. But she mourned the loss of the tiger. It showed she has more feelings for the animal than for the human.
Outcast
ATPSS
Exactly !
Tara80
ACR Breeder # 787
I think you have to narrow it down and look at the animal or species itself as a whole.
First and foremost, it's the possibility for extinction. A Tiger does not reproduce like *MOST* snakes, and cannot immediately repopulate. They ARE going extinct.
I say most snakes because there are reptiles that also have a problem repopulating and, imo they are also on my list of animals we should not screw with.
And on the obvious note, Tigers are feral. Of course they can be kept as pets successfully but not always. This has been proven (just ask Siegfried & Roy). They are dangerous and could possibly get out, also, just like in Bones not everyone purchasing one would be capable of dealing with them successfully which would result in mistreatment and death of the animal. I feel the same about keeping apes/chimps.
First and foremost, it's the possibility for extinction. A Tiger does not reproduce like *MOST* snakes, and cannot immediately repopulate. They ARE going extinct.
I say most snakes because there are reptiles that also have a problem repopulating and, imo they are also on my list of animals we should not screw with.
And on the obvious note, Tigers are feral. Of course they can be kept as pets successfully but not always. This has been proven (just ask Siegfried & Roy). They are dangerous and could possibly get out, also, just like in Bones not everyone purchasing one would be capable of dealing with them successfully which would result in mistreatment and death of the animal. I feel the same about keeping apes/chimps.
beautifullywild77
Go Penguins!!!
Tiger's take way more room and way more food. Totally different habitat to thrive. I don't think that just anyone just be able to go out and buy a tiger or big cat like you can a snake. This just my honest opinion. There is more of a danger to the care taker if not educated. It is because of these backyard irresponsible exotic big cat owners us reptile owners are seeing more bans on big snakes through out the us. Maybe, I am being a bit closed minded but this is just my opinion again.
Tara80
ACR Breeder # 787
Well said. You said it much better than I ever could have.
I'm sorry, but I honestly saw absolutely nothing wrong with that episode other than Bones overreacting.
beautifullywild77
Go Penguins!!!
Plus, I have the ability to devote a room of my house to my snakes and reptiles and to my dogs and cats. I also have the money to take them to the vet when they get sick. I also have the means to take them to the correct type of vet. What average citizen has the means to offer that kind of care to a tiger or big exotic animal who has a wild instinct in them?
Even our beloved scalebabies have wild instincts in them to bite while hungry but they will not take a arm off?
Even our beloved scalebabies have wild instincts in them to bite while hungry but they will not take a arm off?
Outcast
ATPSS
beautifullywild77
Go Penguins!!!
I don't Outcat, most people, outside sanctuaries who keep big cats, do not keep them in proper habitats but in the minimum requirement. This is why we see accidents. I just don't agree in keeping big exotic cats as pets. It is just my opinion.
When I was little my dad had a friend who had a mountain lion as a pet that he had chained up in his back yard. The poor thing was skinny and mangy. Maybe this image is scared into my brain and I am bias in my opinion.
When I was little my dad had a friend who had a mountain lion as a pet that he had chained up in his back yard. The poor thing was skinny and mangy. Maybe this image is scared into my brain and I am bias in my opinion.
Outcast
ATPSS
I have some friends, that while not a large cat, they used to keep an Ocelot when they lived in Ecuador. It was a beautiful creature, and it always looked healthy.
There are people who do keep their exotics in subpar conditions, but I feel if you are going to spend the $$ for an animal like that you would at least give it the best possible home.
There are people who do keep their exotics in subpar conditions, but I feel if you are going to spend the $$ for an animal like that you would at least give it the best possible home.
beautifullywild77
Go Penguins!!!
Right? Sadly, that is not always the case. We see it in our world of corn snakes all to often as well. Imagine what it is like on the bigger level with big cats?
Plus, snakes and tigers are totally different species. A snake can thrive in a viv given the right condition. Right/
A tiger needs stimulation. It will not thrive in a cage. That is why Zoo's spend millions on programs for their animals. How can individuals give that kind of care in their back yard to this large animals?
Plus, snakes and tigers are totally different species. A snake can thrive in a viv given the right condition. Right/
A tiger needs stimulation. It will not thrive in a cage. That is why Zoo's spend millions on programs for their animals. How can individuals give that kind of care in their back yard to this large animals?
beautifullywild77
Go Penguins!!!
I would too!
AliCat37
Michelle's Candied Corns!
I understand that this is your opinion, however, MOST people do not keep reptiles in proper habitats either. Out of the few who are members on the forum sites, how many MILLIONS of reptiles are out there in private homes that are mistreated? Get on craigslist, the majority of the reptiles on there are in HORRIBLE conditions. I can't tell you how many people, even "professionals" have told me that it is normal for ball pythons to shed in a million pieces, or that you can keep a corn snake in a 10 gallon tank, or that a bearded dragon doesn't need any supplemental lighting, etc etc. Every snake I've gotten from CL has something wrong with it, whether it be missing parts of its tail, scarred from bites, or its scales peeling off from an unregulated heat source. How many people get those dial thermometers because petco told them to - but never come to find out the proper care of their reptiles? Had I not joined this site, I would never have known that I needed a thermostat! Just think, for every one person who joins the forum, how many hundreds are out there that don't? Also, hardly any one takes their pet reptiles to the vet. My ex and I went to pick up a sick BP once, we arrived to find it with probably 2-3 stuck sheds, mucus crusted across its whole face, its mouth stuck open, and extremely emaciated. They had lots of dogs that were well cared for, but the snake never saw the vet even as they saw it dying- it had a cage mate too that had died and they didn't even take it to the vet. So don't say that it's just the cat owners- it's not.
It just ruffles my feathers when people say that they are OK with this being a pet, but not that. Do I think that wolf dogs should be pets? Absolutely not- but I think that you should be able to have whatever animal you want if you have the ability to keep it properly. I have no problems with people if they educate themselves about their pets, and take good care of them. Tigers are going extinct due to medicinal poaching- NONE of the tigers kept as pets in the US are from the wild, nor can they ever be reintroduced into the wild because they are not part of the SSP. You hear about a tiger biting someone? So? I doubt it happens any more or less than we get bitten by our house cats! Heck, even corn snakes! Just because a big cat can do more damage to you doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to keep it. I do think that people should be monitored, like have regulations on if you want to have those animals. For instance, a required amount of floor and vertical space, enrichment, and a perimeter fence, etc.
Any way, sorry for my rant. I just hate that it's okay for us to have our pet snakes, but other exotic owners are somehow bad because they choose some charismatic megafauna. I don't understand that view point.
Sorry for the rant.
kathylove
Pragmatic & Logical
I was appalled by the episode!
The totally logical Bones went off on an animal rights rant several times during the episode - totally out of character for her. And she did discuss that the pure Siberian tigers were illegal but the mixed breeds were not, so people usually produce mixes. She implied that all of these were captive bred - and so they are, as far as I know. So this has nothing to do with wild conservation.
While it is true that very few people are equipped with the facilities and knowledge to properly house a tiger, it is not true that NOBODY is. It is also true that MOST people are not equipped to properly house and care for venomous snakes, or even giant snakes, for that matter. But SOME people can, and I would not deny them because most can't. Heck, lots of people don't properly take care of their dogs and kids, but I guess I can't stop them from keeping those either, lol!
My point is that I don't believe in banning any kind of animals if they are safely and humanely kept. And that is especially true of captive born animals that do not deplete wild stocks. It may require some sort of permits to ensure that they are, in fact, humanely and safely housed. The fact that the AVERAGE person is not capable of something (whatever that something is) doesn't mean that NOBODY should be allowed to do it, IMHO.
The totally logical Bones went off on an animal rights rant several times during the episode - totally out of character for her. And she did discuss that the pure Siberian tigers were illegal but the mixed breeds were not, so people usually produce mixes. She implied that all of these were captive bred - and so they are, as far as I know. So this has nothing to do with wild conservation.
While it is true that very few people are equipped with the facilities and knowledge to properly house a tiger, it is not true that NOBODY is. It is also true that MOST people are not equipped to properly house and care for venomous snakes, or even giant snakes, for that matter. But SOME people can, and I would not deny them because most can't. Heck, lots of people don't properly take care of their dogs and kids, but I guess I can't stop them from keeping those either, lol!
My point is that I don't believe in banning any kind of animals if they are safely and humanely kept. And that is especially true of captive born animals that do not deplete wild stocks. It may require some sort of permits to ensure that they are, in fact, humanely and safely housed. The fact that the AVERAGE person is not capable of something (whatever that something is) doesn't mean that NOBODY should be allowed to do it, IMHO.