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Morph Help

Chip said:
You would need to breed your snow to an anery, at least that seems the easiest way. Then you'd have a bunch of aneries, and possibly snows if the anery you bought was het snow -and most probably are!
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Thanks, thats been bugging me all night!!! All this morph stuff is a right headache!

Everyone is here is so patient and helpful! :D
 
Both your parents carry amel and anery genes, otherwise you wouldn't have got Rosie! So if you breed them again, in any given clutch you can get snows, aneries and amels, as well as normals.
Any normals you get may be carrying (or as we say are poss het for) amel or anery.
Any amels will be homo (homozygous) amel, poss het anery.
Any aneries will be homo anery, poss het amel.
Any snows will be homo amel and anery.
I know it's confusing, but with hidden (het) genes it's really a roll of the dice whether you get babies where the genes match up to be different to the parents or not.
 
Thanks for confirming that Janine, I was laying in bed last night thinking that if we bred Caz and Snowy again we might get anerys and trying to work out whether I was right or not. The sad thing is that, as you know 5 of our babies didnt hatch, and I wasn't in the room (would have cried) when the man at the pet shop was cutting them open. My boyfriend wouldn't have known what an Anery looked like so maybe there was one in there :( So with the snakes that I have, because either or all of them possibly carry only Amel or Anery I can only get snow, anery, normal or amel? No chance of any different morphs? So how do people get all these wonderful snakes like butters? caramel? charcoal and stripes?
 
disgurlchar said:
Ahh yes i've been on this website before, very useful! Thank you! It doesnt tell me how you make them snakes though, only one did and that was a stripe, once I clicked on stripe it linked to a motley but that was it. :S
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But that is how you make them. You need two copies of whatever genes it shows.

The Single Traits are the base genes, you start combining them to make Double Trait, Triple Trait and so on.

You can't "make" genes, you have to start with the base single traits.
 
disgurlchar said:
So If I wanted a caramel, I would have to buy a caramel?
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Yes.

You can not "create" the base single genes. Either an animal has them/carries them or they don't.

Example, Butter Stripe.

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To get a Butter Stripe you must have a male and female snake that BOTH carry some combination of Amel, Caramel and Stripe.

They can be Caramels het Amel Stripe, Stripe het Amel Caramel, Amel Stripe het Caramel or any combination of the genes. As long as BOTH parents carry the required genes, you can produce Butter Stripes.

I'm producing Butter Stripes this year by breeding my male Amel Stripe het Caramel to a female Caramel het Amel Stripe.
 
BloodyBaroness said:
Yes.

You can not "create" the base single genes. Either an animal has them/carries them or they don't.

Example, Butter Stripe.

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To get a Butter Stripe you must have a male and female snake that BOTH carry some combination of Amel, Caramel and Stripe.

They can be Caramels het Amel Stripe, Stripe het Amel Caramel, Amel Stripe het Caramel or any combination of the genes. As long as BOTH parents carry the required genes, you can produce Butter Stripes.

I'm producing Butter Stripes this year by breeding my male Amel Stripe het Caramel to a female Caramel het Amel Stripe.
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OK I get you now, the pet shops round here only have normals and occasionally have snows so I have no chance of buying another single trait snake unless I can find a breeder. Not that I was definitely wanting to make all these different snakes but maybe in the future when I have enough space and time to care for all the little buggers :) Good luck on your babies this year, would love to see pics :D
 
So an example of a snake that I like it the Strawberry snow which is a selectively bred snake.

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/strawberry_snow/

On this page it gives its genes as a(a)a(a) an(a)an(a) < that didnt work like I wanted it to. It has high a's in between the brackets.

So I would have to buy a strawberry and mate it with a snow, possibly make snows that are het strawberry, then breed those together?

Sorry - I can be incredibly dumb at times, I know this must be fustrating :(
 
disgurlchar said:
So I would have to buy a strawberry and mate it with a snow, possibly make snows that are het strawberry, then breed those together?
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If you bred a strawberry to a snow you would get.

Normal babies het Anery, Amel, Strawberry.

Then breed those babies together and have a chance at Strawberry Snows.

Honestly, if there is a morph you like, try to find a breeder that has it already made. Unless you plan on invest 3-9 years in a project and producing a ton of babies that may or not have what you want, it's easier and cheaper to just track down what you like. I'm not trying to discourage breeding, but if you are looking for a particular thing, it's often much easier to attempt to locate a breeder.

Janine (diamondlil) or Bitsy can probably tell you more about UK breeders, or maybe poke around on a UK reptile forum.
 
BloodyBaroness said:
If you bred a strawberry to a snow you would get.

Normal babies het Anery, Amel, Strawberry.

Then breed those babies together and have a chance at Strawberry Snows.

Janine (diamondlil) or Bitsy can probably tell you more about UK breeders, or maybe poke around on a UK reptile forum.
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OK yeah forgot about the Anery and Amel.

You know, most of my burning desire to learn about morphs is mainly because I love our snakes to pieces and I find the morph/breeding topic so interesting. I completely understand what you mean, I know it can take years and we would of had trouble finding homes for our 9 babies (only 4 hatched though) because pet shops around here are very small most buy from their own breeders. So I wouldn't want to breed loads of pairs every year because its A) unfair on the snakes and B) unfair on the hatchlings. Janine is very lucky that she has buyers and homes for all her snakes. She is currently helping out my little Rosie as she was a non-feeder, so I wouldnt start to breed again unless I learnt how to cope with non-feeders myself.

Just started off being bored at work on my lunchbreak and thought, you know what I want to learn about morphs, and now I cant stop googling and reading about genes on wikipedia haha!

Maybe one day in the future when I've had childen and have a big enough house I can start to breed properly like you guys do! Once I have a bit more experience with snakes. In the mean time we might breed our snow and carolina again next year providing we already have homes set up :)
 
My 2 cents is don't ever breed a non-feeder. Even if you get it eating later, there's just too good a chance you are passing on a trait for not wanting to eat f/t out of the egg. I personally wouldn't want to risk that, and non-feeders can be heart breaking. I'd never risk making more.
 
Yeah, I mean I weren't saying that I would breed nonfeeders, I'm just saying that the little fellas that I do decide to keep stand more of a chance if I know how to syringe feed them etc. Even with the babies we have now, we keep food charts and dates of shed so we can monitor growth etc. Thanks for your advice though, as I didn't realise that non feeding hatchling can pass it through to their children in the future :)
 
It isn't proven. But there is a TON of consensus that irritable corns tend to make pissy babies, great eaters have babies that are, etc., so it would stand to reason. Our beloved corns are sturdy, friendly, and easy to breed, there's no reason not to hold breedings to the highest standards! :)
 
Oh my gosh, I bred two extremely flighty corns together last year and nearly every single baby that hatched tried to kill me immediately out of the egg! They all escaped out of their hatching container by forcing themselves out from under the lid (a first for me) and gave themselves severe spinal kinks in the process. I only ever found 8 of the 16 pissers that hatched. Two of the babies had enough sense to stay put.

Admittedly, the *single* egg from the second clutch hatched out a more typical personality, but those first ones... yeesh.
 
Sounds like you had a devil clutch! One of ours in a little , I refuse to clean him out, and usually get my boyfriend to stick his hands in there (you know what men are like, "im not scared") but this morning hes bedding was completely soaked so I had to clean him out. he was acting like a cobra and rattliing his tail at me, then struck at the box - made like a hissing sound. About 10 minutes later he crawled into his hide so I picked it up and quickly cleaned him out but hes such a grumpy little sausage. Once out and about hes fine, its just getting him out! So do you think his attitude is passed on?
 
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